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300 SAUM Imp

Went back to the range this evening to run through the other 25 cases and did some seating & neck tension testing at 200yds, while forming the brass.

This is kinda reverse from how I usually test but just trying to rough in a load for the rifle for hunting this weekend.
My plan is to shoot it at distances, after season ends.

The barrel’s showing almost no copper fouling now but is still pretty solid on velocity numbers and hasn’t started jumping, like it’s wanting to speed up but only has 50 rounds through it so far (At 57.0 of H4350, it’s avg 2702fps).
Since this barrel is new, I decided to clean it after the first 11 rounds used for seating, and ran the last 14 for neck tension testing.
I wanted a little more magnification also so switched out the 22X NXS with a Golden Eagle and had to get back on target with the first shot.

I tested -18off the first go so decided to do -15, -21, & -24 off this time.
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The rounds used for neck tension were loaded long so I could adjust, at the rang, to whatever looked best from the seating test. I went with -21 but probably should have went back to -18K since it had a better shape and was a little tighter.


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I ran backwards from 5, 4, 3, & 2K tension. My groups last week & the seating test today were at 1K.

Looking at the targets, 1, 4, &5K looked good so I’ll start with -18 off at 4or5K tension, BR2’s.
I’ll run up to pressure with H4350, RL16 & maybe RL 15.5, and start shooting groups with the powder that looks good and gives the best numbers.
 
Was your velocity the same across the different neck tensions?
I just looked on my LabRadar.. 4&5K tension did run on the faster side of my avg (2698-2712fps) but 1-3K tension pretty much avg in with the other 17 rounds (combined ES of 23fps). I erased the first fouler, after each cleaning.
 
Took a good friend of mine hunting this weekend and let him use the 300saum imp to test the 185 jug.
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I didn’t have time to work up a load at higher velocities, so just opened a new box of brass and got enough ready to hunt with.
I think running at ~2700fps served the test well anyways since It simulated around a 230fps drop, right off the bat (assuming this rifle tunes in at 2930).
The shot was taken at 212yds.
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The deer ran about 40 yds, stood for maybe 5 seconds and fell over without attempting to get back up.
I think the shot placement was just about right bcs it stayed far enough away from the animals shoulders and spine, so you could actually know how the bullet performed without affecting the central nervous system or legs.
The eastern deer in my area are thin so was happy with the results. I’m sure the extra mass with an elk, etc would just give the bullet more time to open and do it’s thing.

Below are entry & exit, from on side to off..

Entry of on side
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Entry of lungs
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Passing throughout & exit of lungs
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Exit on off side
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Put some more powder in there! Lol. Performance looked good to me. I just hope my 300 train tunes up as easy as these saum improved barrels seem to.

Tom
 
Stayed together and performed really well. Not a typical wound I’ve seen from Berger over the years tho. Entrance and exit look about right with other Berger bullets I use but normally those lungs would have been completely and utterly destroyed.
 
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Put some more powder in there! Lol. Performance looked good to me. I just hope my 300 train tunes up as easy as these saum improved barrels seem to.

Tom
Hoping this Lilja barrel will run on the faster side! Lol
I formed 25 more cases a few days back. Barrel showed first signs of speeding up at round counts 64-75.
Started jumping from avg 2702 to 2758 so hopefully it will settle by the time I run the last 25 through it in a day or two.
Ive heard some guys are seeing better velocities with RL15.5 so excited to try that one against RL16!


Which jugg? Otm I assume?
This is the target version.
I had about 800 left over from a .308 and glad I kept them now!
 
Straight from the horse's mouth!

I wonder where some of the people got their info that have stated the OTM version has a thicker jacket .... it's the internet!
 
This is true for the 185 Juggernaut, but dont get confused and think all OTMs are identical to their same weight counterpart match bullets.

The OTMs in other heavy weights are usually made with shorter jackets to meet magazine feeding requirements where their target counterpart bullet is not.
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Got all 100 pcs of brass formed last week.
Barrel started out at an avg 2702 & climbed to 2788 during the last 10.
Went back today to pressure up the rifle at 200yds with 3 powders (RL16, H4350, & RL15.5).
Ran 185 jug, -18 off, 5K tension, BR2’s for all powders.
My LabRadar missed a few increments bcs it was rotating slightly from the muzzle blast but the targets confirmed what I missed with velocities.
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RL16 had 2 nodes that looked good. The POI was lower than with H4350 so it did drop down on the target with certain charge weights.
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H4350 was hammering with the fire form loads at 2700 but doesn’t seem like it’s gonna work out, at the higher velocities, with this barrel. It was running wide and shifting with no consistency at all.
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I just plain missed where I thought RL15.5 should start at but got lucky with the first 3 increments and ran through the high node. I didn’t see any signs of pressure but stopped after 3 POI shifts, when coming out of the node. I was very impressed with the numbers from this powder!
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I will bracket 1% below/above the high nodes for RL16 & 15.5 and take both out to ~700 yds when I can.

I was also surprised with how fast this barrel is going to run! It almost reminds me of a Broughton.
The only sign of pressure that I saw was a slight rotation ring on the last case with H4350 but you really had to look for it.
Looking forward to testing these loads out a little further to see if the high nodes hold up.
 
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Thought I’d send out an update since it’s been a while.
After running RL15.5 up to pressure, I wanted to take a doe off my lease, at the higher velocity, so just grabbed the middle of the node (58.3) and took it to my 294yd spot to get drops.
I had some rounds left over so ran a 3 shot group at 294yds. I’m sure it’s a bit of a fluke but still shows that this powder has great potential.
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Sometime around mid Dec, a company came in and ran a power line through my hunting lease so between that and the crazy warm weather, it’s been tough to see anything other than an occasional fawn during last light.
I’ll give it an effort up until the last day
(Jan-1) but not looking good. Lol

On a positive note.. I could see the warm weather coming and had some cold mornings, just before that, so I decided to do a temp sensitivity test with this powder.
I just took the 3 charge weights that formed the node, shot at ~38 degrees, (58.0, 58.3, & 58.6) and ran 3-3shot groups, keeping the POA the same.
One test on the coldest morning, and the other yesterday evening.
I had 1round (58.0) leak out the bottom of the 9 shot group on the 26 degree morning. I don’t think this was due to a POI change. Could have been me or the reload. Had all 3 (58.6) drop out at 71 degrees, which I do believe was bcs the load came out of tune. Both tests were shot at 200yds. Orange dots are 1”.
One thing that I would like to add is I still don’t think this barrel has fully settled and has picked up a little more speed (which could be why the 58.6 load came out of tune on the warmer day) so I’m thinking that this powder is more stable than what the target & velocities show, but this is just an assumption.
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