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Varmint Caliber Question

cliffy said:
People reverting to .177 caliber centerfires will find windage extremely difficult to deal with regarding PDogs (prairie rats) at even 300 yards. Cliffy



People don't revert to .177 centerfires.......there is no such thing. Shooting pd's out to 300yds with a .172 centerfire is no big deal. You're simply clueless, have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have any idea how many people laugh at your posts?
 
About .177 centerfires, I have a 17MachIV shooting 30gr bullets with a bc of .271 at 3850fps. The person making the statement made about 17's being useless in wind should check ballistics comparing to 22's with 50 or 55gr bullets at 22-250 velocities with the 17 I'm shooting. Cliffy, I don't see why you keep making comments because it is plain that you have not tried what you are throwing negative comments at
 
This is one of my few posts and likely my last - I lurk here from time to time searching for particulars on loads and equipment. This thread shows one of the big downfalls of boards. Endless dribble off topic by someone that has developed a reputation of simply loving to read what he types......I will join the insanity because I can't take it anymore.

Two particular quotes caught my attention from the Cliffster: "I realize my groups at 600 yards would open up to at least 6-12"".......and....."I've seen reports of 1000 yard shots make on PDogs: pure dumb luck, and extremely rare at that."

You prove your ignorance everytime you type. Service Rifle shooters shoot from a sling on a mat through iron sights every weekend. If their guns were only capable of 12" groups there should never be a 200-200 scores shot. 200's are shot often with high x-counts in variable winds by the best shooters. You need to broaden your knowledge base while keeping your keyboard locked up and unused - if that is possible. If your equipment isn't up to the task - you have the wrong equipment. Just because you can't imagine the ranges PD shooting takes place at proves your cluelessness. Your reputation precedes you, so I personally put zero credence to any load or equipment suggestions you could possibly have. I don't care whether you think the .243 whinnie pooh (WTF is that all about???) is the best ever - WE DON'T CARE. I would hope that any prospective reloaders on this forum have reliable sources for entry information rather than your senseless dribble. Your narrow mindedness combined with numerous mistakes (i.e. .177 vs. .172) show that you read far more than you shoot.

And yes, I have made 1000 yard PD shots laserd back to the truck with a .243 WSSM pushing a 107 Sierra Matchking at 3300 fps. On my first one at 1000, I zero'd up on a mound, picked the next mound over with a dog, and the 3rd shot got him. I guess it was that dog's unlucky day since it took three shots. But, since that doesn't meet your one shot one kill requirement, a 1000 yard PD hunter it must not make me. Someone on this board personally watched 17 shots from that gun thrown down as fast as I could single load them, disregarding any good bag/bench techniques, hold a 9" group at 900 yards.

But since we know the Cliffster will never go away - lets just ignore the tripe. Attention is all he wants. And for anyone who used to troll the "shooters talk" competition board before its demise - are you not convinced this guy is related to Clint Mckee of Fulton Fame???

One last thought - The NRA wants the range officer certificate back - and they would likely return your course fee, which you can then buy a book from Precision Shooting titled "Precision Shooting at 1000 yards." Then GO AWAY!!!!!!!!! I swear, he is like a car accident, You don't want to look, but you just can't peel your eyes away from what he may say next.

A fed up Lurker.......
 
If I retain you attention, do you really want me to disappear from this site? That these schumuchster's merely constantly bash me, yet NEVER offer any solid shooting information . . . well what do you think? Today, I decided from merely twenty rounds fired that a 105 grain Speer Spitzer Soft-Point is the most moxy-filled bullet available for hunting purposes in a .243 Winchester bolt-action rifle. Actually, I've been testing this bullet and load for a few years: 46.0 grains of Alliant ReLoder 22 (RL-22) powder; CCI 250 LRM; Remington Nickeled Cases; seated to 2.645" C.O.L. NEVER let any MAGNUM-ORIENTED PERSON (possible moron) indicate that you don't have sufficient power to quell any ungulate going. As far as varmint fare goes, a .243 Winchester 70 grain Speer T-N-T bullet with 45.0 grains of Hodgdon H4350 powder goes . . . Cliffy
 
cliffy said:
If I retain you attention, do you really want me to disappear from this site? That these schumuchster's merely constantly bash me, yet NEVER offer any solid shooting information . . . well what do you think?

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NEVER let any MAGNUM-ORIENTED PERSON (possible moron) indicate that you don't have sufficient power to quell any ungulate going. Cliffy

More blahblahblah, from a definite moron.
 
Okay whinnie the pooh MORON......I am going to call your bluff. Explain to all of us here, in fundamental ballistic and reloading terms, why I might have chosen a .243 WSSM as a caliber for 1000 yard prairie dogs??? I will save you some time and state that it has similar case capacity to a standard .243 Win - about identical to a .243 AI ultimate SPEED WAS NOT THE REASON. Since you are so blessed with knowledge of things like gong penetration for hunting bullets, you should be able to state two or three very elementary concepts why it was chosen over the love of your life.

I anxiously await enlightenment........It is your golden moment sunshine - don't disappoint.

The Lurker
 
reaboy said:
This is one of my few posts and likely my last - I lurk here from time to time searching for particulars on loads and equipment. This thread shows one of the big downfalls of boards. Endless dribble off topic by someone that has developed a reputation of simply loving to read what he types......I will join the insanity because I can't take it anymore.

Two particular quotes caught my attention from the Cliffster: "I realize my groups at 600 yards would open up to at least 6-12"".......and....."I've seen reports of 1000 yard shots make on PDogs: pure dumb luck, and extremely rare at that."

You prove your ignorance everytime you type. Service Rifle shooters shoot from a sling on a mat through iron sights every weekend. If their guns were only capable of 12" groups there should never be a 200-200 scores shot. 200's are shot often with high x-counts in variable winds by the best shooters. You need to broaden your knowledge base while keeping your keyboard locked up and unused - if that is possible. If your equipment isn't up to the task - you have the wrong equipment. Just because you can't imagine the ranges PD shooting takes place at proves your cluelessness. Your reputation precedes you, so I personally put zero credence to any load or equipment suggestions you could possibly have. I don't care whether you think the .243 whinnie pooh (WTF is that all about???) is the best ever - WE DON'T CARE. I would hope that any prospective reloaders on this forum have reliable sources for entry information rather than your senseless dribble. Your narrow mindedness combined with numerous mistakes (i.e. .177 vs. .172) show that you read far more than you shoot.

And yes, I have made 1000 yard PD shots laserd back to the truck with a .243 WSSM pushing a 107 Sierra Matchking at 3300 fps. On my first one at 1000, I zero'd up on a mound, picked the next mound over with a dog, and the 3rd shot got him. I guess it was that dog's unlucky day since it took three shots. But, since that doesn't meet your one shot one kill requirement, a 1000 yard PD hunter it must not make me. Someone on this board personally watched 17 shots from that gun thrown down as fast as I could single load them, disregarding any good bag/bench techniques, hold a 9" group at 900 yards.

But since we know the Cliffster will never go away - lets just ignore the tripe. Attention is all he wants. And for anyone who used to troll the "shooters talk" competition board before its demise - are you not convinced this guy is related to Clint Mckee of Fulton Fame???

One last thought - The NRA wants the range officer certificate back - and they would likely return your course fee, which you can then buy a book from Precision Shooting titled "Precision Shooting at 1000 yards." Then GO AWAY!!!!!!!!! I swear, he is like a car accident, You don't want to look, but you just can't peel your eyes away from what he may say next.

A fed up Lurker.......
WOW!!!! I'm speechless and can't add anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXCEPT!!! I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
A THOUSAND Yard shot on a PDog? Yards not meters, right? I have you beat at 1200 meters, but that being PURE LUCK aside . . . what? I shoot PDogs at THREE Hundred Yards maximum for MAXIMUM EFFECT. At five hundred yards, I see little EFFECT, except for PDogs running for their burrows. I do scare them a lot with my .243 Winchester 70 grainers, and I'm not that bad of a shot. Are we attempting to tell readers that 500 plus yard shots on PDogs is standard practice? Get Real! Cliffy, the . . . give me a break!
 
DEADLYSWIFT, a .243 WSSM is not all that devastatingly more potent than a properly handloaded STANDARD .243 Winchester (Winnie Pooh). Show me your best, most potent load, and I will show you mine. Please give Chronographic proof, since I can issue forth mine. Name your rifle and barrel length and twist, so we can properly compare. Cliffy
 
Soon, I shall not care, if you do not start answering my questions. I never intended to ask questions that you folks NEVER answered to enlighten me. I only offered my findings, but became confronted with a brickwall of . . . I'd rather not say at this moment. Do you guys actually shoot? Cliffy
 
Even if you shoot OFTEN, do you question my accuracy findings? I fired sixty-four rounds today at 200 yards, to retain my short-range accuracy, since the winds from the right were 25 mph to 35 mph. Quite challenging, I thought, but I'm just me as usual. Cliffy
 
YES, I want attention, when I see assine recommendations for 1000 yard prairie dog shooting. Gravitational Drop in a .22 Centerfire bullet with all its major energy SPENT onto the head of a desert rat, precludes my actual desire to comment, yet I must and will do so, till the cows come home from wherever they've been all day. Call me pessimistic to expect such glorious results, but also call me realistic for such DIFFICULT tasks for even the finest of shooters in the World. Cliffy
 
You know this is not an instant messaging client. You can type until you have made your point. There is no need to type a few sentences and post and then type a few more then post then type a few more sentences and post.
 
Wow - He has no idea that Deadlyswift wasn't agreeing with a .243 WSSM - He was agreeing that you are a moron.

I'm still waiting for an answer concerning why I may have chosen a "magnum" for my long range dog gun...........Apparently the "red mist" of anger got to him so that he couldn't see it had NOTHING to do with velocity - otherwise I would have chosen a .243 AI or a 6mm Rem Mag, 6-284, etc.

I think I know why he can't answer - he has never owned a fast twist barrel, never shot a VLD bullet, and I bet his guns all have the original barrels or at least still have the slow twist. He just doensn't understand -
Here is a hint Pooh Bear - Think about the previous title to the web page "6mm BR dot com." Know anything about 6mm BR's cliffy? Ever owned one. there is a whole new world out there for ya Cliffy - come on little fella, we'll let ya play.

We understand why you don't shoot past 300 - your 70 grainer with a .282 BC and a guess of 3700 muzzle has the following:

300yd zero:
300 yard ME=1027
300 yard wind in a 10mph at 3 o'clock=2.7 moa
500 yard ME=580
500 drop=24"
500 wind in a 10 @ 3=5.2 moa
700 yard ME=298
700 drop=86"
700 wind 10 @ 3=8.6 moa

A 107 MatchKing at 3300 muzzle

300yd zero:
300 yard ME=1775
300 yard wind in a 10 @ 3=1.5 moa
500 yard ME=1352
500 drop=21.3"
500 wind in a 10 @ 3=2.7 moa
700 yard ME=1010
700 drop=67.3"
700 wind 10 @ 3=4.4 moa

Wow - 3" less drop at 500, roughly same wind at 500 that you have at 300, roughly same energy at 700 that you have at 300.......no wonder the little critters run around the mound at 500 with your bullets. They are playing soccer with them.

Expand your horizons spam for brains before you start telling this board that consistent hits at 500 yards isn't possible. You live close enough to Camp Perry Ohio to go take a little trip around the 1st of August. Find the firing point where a young gal name Sherri Gallagher will be shooting the highpower nationals. She will likely be shooting a 6.5-08 Remington in a rifle called a Tubb 2K. Last year, while lying on the ground with a sling and IRON SIGHTS she proceeded to place 51 out of 60 shots in the 6" X-ring at 600 yards for a score of 600-51x in the prone slow fire stage of the national championships. Again, that was in a sling with irons at 600 yards.

Me thinks Cliffy's gene pool needed more chlorine last century.
 
Cliffy, I not only want you to disapear from this site, I want you to disapear from the face of the earth. You are an idiot who either had a troubled upbringing or have a history of retardation in your family. I don't think you care about shooting, I think you are only here because you like abuse. To you any attention is good attention even if its negative. You really should get some professional help and deal with whatever your mother or uncle did to you as a child. I can just imagine you sitting in a dark basement reading how much people hate you as you laugh and fill your depends. I offered the site moderator $100 to kick you off and it didn't happen so I guess I can say whatever I want without fear of being booted off just like you. So go ahead and keep typing your worthless "results" that aren't worth anything to anyone, and picking fights with people who do what is impossible to you, and I will keep getting more vile every week until one or both of us get kicked off. The only thing I think you could do without screwing up is turn good air into carbon dioxide. And another thing, you would make an english teacher puke the way you try to put sentenses together, YOU DON"T EVER MAKE SENSE! Just GO AWAY, FAR AWAY!
 
cliffy said:
A THOUSAND Yard shot on a PDog? Yards not meters, right? I have you beat at 1200 meters, but that being PURE LUCK aside . . . what? I shoot PDogs at THREE Hundred Yards maximum for MAXIMUM EFFECT. At five hundred yards, I see little EFFECT, except for PDogs running for their burrows. I do scare them a lot with my .243 Winchester 70 grainers, and I'm not that bad of a shot. Are we attempting to tell readers that 500 plus yard shots on PDogs is standard practice? Get Real! Cliffy, the . . . give me a break!
I thought dead was dead, and anything beyond a pellet rifle was overkill? Someone's not teling the truth....
 

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