cliffy said:I color myself gone from this thread because of all the self-proclaimed know-it-alls who offer NOTHING productive to enhance the skill of newbies, yet color me stupid due to your lack of skill and practice. I'll admit that besting a .243 Winchester is doubious, since no one has ever proved this possible. Love the lack of information given thus far. I shall try another thread more open to actual results, and not merely insults. Cliffy