Scope for one mile

[wboggs]

First or second focal plane?
What are you mile shooters using and why?
Thanks
Bill

 

[450AK]

Second focal plane, you want fine crosshairs but you also want to be able to see them. most FFP scopes have crosshairs that are way to thick on the top end.

 

[Bodhisafa]

Interested in this topic as I am looking for a scope for my 300 Norma

 

[6bra1k]

First or second focal plane?
What are you mile shooters using and why?
Thanks
Bill

how about some CONTEXT to the question
hunting or target
if target, what size,
i have shot and hit at one mile with a 5-22x nf,mk13 sniper rifle, mke248 mod 1 ammo 2moa steel

 

[Gargoyle]

I like FFP for that distance so we can tell each other, and yourself, lol, how many mils our shots are off for corrections. I don't shoot max power of any scope and dial back a couple powers for clarity. Another shine for the FFP. I shoot the mile with a Bushnell Elite HDMR II, 3.5-21X50. It has the H59 reticle. FFP. I shoot on 18X. The reticle thickness is acceptable. Is it the best mile scope, probably not, but I am hitting so good with it and it tracks like a champ.

I mounted a Burris XTRIII 5-30X56 for a friend. Holy smokes, that scope is really something. HUGE sight picture, decent glass clarity/resolution, and has a FFP reticle that is balanced perfect for higher magnification use. It got dinged by reviewers because the reticle isn't usable until 15X, but if you have a 30X and shooting a mile, you'll be of 20-28X anyway and the reticle size is perfect. So, my recommendation is the Burris XTR III, because that will be my next scope.

 

[Rob01]

There is no reason at all not to use FFP at a mile. If you need more elevation than the scope has you have the reticle to hold over and it will work on any power. Same for wind. Lots of great FFP scopes out there now with excellent reticles and lots of elevation.

FFP reticles do not get larger on high power. they cover the same amount at every power and why they are FFP. I shoot 12" steel at a mile with a Vortex Razor II 4.5-27x with a 7C reticle in FFP. No problems at all. The reticle is only .03 mils thick which is 1.1" at a 1000 yards so less than 2" at a mile. Not heavy at all. I would easily quarter the 12" steel.

 

[buddy.223]

NF 5x25x56 ATACR plenty of internal adjustment gives you 80 moa up from a 100 yard zero with 20 moa rail + Moar t ret. I use sfp.
Some v high mag scopes have limited internal adjustment requiring a rail with a lot of built in or adjustable moa.

 

[6ShotsOr5?]

I used two different 5-25 FFP ATACRs to hit ~1.5 MOA targets out to a mile. One had the H59 reticle and one was a TREMOR3. I didn’t have any issues with the reticles being too thick.

 

[moondog]

Same here, FFP scopes on my ELR rigs.
As Rob pointed out, look at thickness between Reticle choices between scope manufacturers. ZCO has fantastic glass, Reticle looks like 2 2x4s!! I use a 7x35 ATCAR but rarely use max power, conditions dictate.
Do the math for the caliber your shooting at the elevation your at. Make sure you have enough elevation. Glass quality is really important in my opinion, spotting hits/misses.

 

[Yote Hunter]

Really hard to beat a Valdada G2 Recon 4.8-30x56 FFP MOA scope. 40 mm tube and 150 MOA elevation adjustment! Unbelievable! Holdovers are always the same scale and are super fine so “fat” crosshair isn’t an issue. Possibly get you to 2000 yards without more than a 20 or 30 moa base.

 

[FeMan]

I use ffp exclusively as well. Two Kahles 6-24s, one NF 5-25 and one 7-35 ATACRs. I usually shoot use 20 to 25x and rarely use the higher power of the 7-35. The ffp allows me to measure the misses accurately and then calculate the actual cross wind value regardless of the magnification setting. The mirage sometimes dictates using a lower power setting and ffp gives me more flexibility.

 

[6bra1k]

Really hard to beat a Valdada G2 Recon 4.8-30x56 FFP MOA scope. 40 mm tube and 150 MOA elevation adjustment! Unbelievable! Holdovers are always the same scale and are super fine so “fat” crosshair isn’t an issue. Possibly get you to 2000 yards without more than a 20 or 30 moa base.

actually the 5-40x 40 mm tube is much better ...well cause i have one..reach out to 2000, but the subject is one mile . i have had zero luck with atacr's, but the the nf 5.5-22 did dine at a mile

 

[Sniper338]

Id use FFP by all means.

For 1 mile my 5x25 stiener military would do that easily for steel or such. I like Mil/Mil.. i use mils exclusively for all scopes.

 

[dttheliman]

5 - 25 S&B PM2 with the P4 fine reticle it’s FFP and just plain works , mostly dialed to 20x because mirage sucks, can see everything I need to

 

[stevenpoplin]

I've had some success with both out to 2,000 yrds but the FFP ran out of scope prior to 2,640. The advantage I've experiance with the sfp is I can half the magnification power and double the retical. For instance in my NSX 5.5-22 at full power I have 20 moa in retical to use and at 11 power I have 40 moa of retical. That's not much gain but with 100 miinutes available in the turit it got me the required 140 minuets to hit at 2640yrds. The ffp retical gets too small for me at the minimul power. I did use someone elses Leuopld ffp that had all kinds of retical for use the lower the power. I also use a 5-25 ATACR sfp that I've setup for 100 yard zero with a custom Murphy Precision rail 150 minutes at full power and another 20 at half power.

like others have said the advantage of ffp is the retical subtentions are correct at any magnification.

try both and see what you like

 

[Desert Fox]

I use first focal scope for my ELR rig and second focal for hunting. Shooting at extended range like a mile on up, a FFP scope is great. You can dial up or down and the reticle value doesn't change. This is useful when spotting your own misses. Mil or MOA doesn't matter. I have both. I use IOR Valdada Spyder in mills and IOR Crusader in MOA. Both FFP.

 

[Tempest]

ATACR here also.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

The best riflescope for ELR at the moment, is the March Genesis scope, either the 6-60X56 or the 4-40X52. They are both FFP designs. The 6-60X56 has 400MOA of elevation available, 114MIL; 100MIL of up elevation and 14MIL of down elevation. The problem with some riflescope designs that have more adjustment range than usual, is the loss of IQ as the reticle moves away from the optical center of the scope. The beauty of the Genesis design is that you're always looking through the center of its Super ED glassed optical path.

These scopes are used for the King of 2 miles and other such ELR endeavors.

They are pricey, but then again, "ELR" and "cheap" are words that, if used in a sentence, have to be separated with a "not".

 

[6bra1k]

The best riflescope for ELR at the moment, is the March Genesis scope, either the 6-60X56 or the 4-40X52. They are both FFP designs. The 6-60X56 has 400MOA of elevation available, 114MIL; 100MIL of up elevation and 14MIL of down elevation. The problem with some riflescope designs that have more adjustment range than usual, is the loss of IQ as the reticle moves away from the optical center of the scope. The beauty of the Genesis design is that you're always looking through the center of its Super ED glassed optical path.

These scopes are used for the King of 2 miles and other such ELR endeavors.

They are pricey, but then again, "ELR" and "cheap" are words that, if used in a sentence, have to be separated with a "not".

did you notice, he asked about ONE MILE, not elr nor ko2, you reply would appear to be out of context.

 

[CJ6]

did you notice, he asked about ONE MILE, not elr nor ko2, you reply would appear to be out of context.

So if it's good at ELR or 2 miles, that makes it no good at 1 mile ???? I'm not seeing why. Enlighten me