DennisH
Life Time NRA member
You got me on that one! I used SSS Evolution Triggers, and Rifle Basix's triggers. I have worked with Savages Accu-Trigger with great results.
Remington vs Savage for FTR
- Thread starter Bully
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You got me on that one! I used SSS Evolution Triggers, and Rifle Basix's triggers. I have worked with Savages Accu-Trigger with great results.
Bully
Silver $$ Contributor
I was hoping you knew something that I didn't. It's the biggest hurdle for me on Savage actions.
flintcreek6412
Bob Petillo
I started the f class game with a stock rem 700. The barrel couldn't handle the course of fire. I didn't want to spend a lot so I took a savage I had and put a Criterion barrel on it. Vast improvement. I put a rifle basix trigger in it and a new B&C stock. I was very limited on a stock for a savage action that isn't a custom 9 mo wait. I did OK with it and won my class a few times.
This year I got a Kelbly Atlas. Talk about a great action for the money. It's a r700 clone so stock options, trigger options etc are endless. I was very quickly shooting HM in FTR.
I put 1800rds through the action this season. That's $900 worth of Berger 200.20x just in bullets. Add travel, other components, match fees, etc and you get the point. Spending $3-400 more for a great action that you can customize and bed yourself is a drop in the bucket. And you'll have it for decades.
Trust me on this. Not saying the other cannot compete because they can in the right hands. But this action is just a class better. Good luck in whatever you choose.
This year I got a Kelbly Atlas. Talk about a great action for the money. It's a r700 clone so stock options, trigger options etc are endless. I was very quickly shooting HM in FTR.
I put 1800rds through the action this season. That's $900 worth of Berger 200.20x just in bullets. Add travel, other components, match fees, etc and you get the point. Spending $3-400 more for a great action that you can customize and bed yourself is a drop in the bucket. And you'll have it for decades.
Trust me on this. Not saying the other cannot compete because they can in the right hands. But this action is just a class better. Good luck in whatever you choose.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
Buy yourself a Borden Rimrock BRM and call it a day. It's only money.
A friend and fellow shooter just received a new rifle last month built around a Borden action (Borden BRM, Brux, XIT, Bix-N-Andy). Strangely enough, it's a .223 Rem F-TR rifle. Stranger still, he's shooting 90 VLDs with it. With no more than a couple-three hours tuning he had decent load, brought it out to our monthly MR match the next day, and shot a 599-44X with it, a new range record for F-TR. You can do what you like, but starting out a top custom action, good stock, reliable trigger, and quality barrel will put you where you right want to be: your rifle will never be the limiting factor. You might end up in the same position by going another route. Then again, you might not.
A friend and fellow shooter just received a new rifle last month built around a Borden action (Borden BRM, Brux, XIT, Bix-N-Andy). Strangely enough, it's a .223 Rem F-TR rifle. Stranger still, he's shooting 90 VLDs with it. With no more than a couple-three hours tuning he had decent load, brought it out to our monthly MR match the next day, and shot a 599-44X with it, a new range record for F-TR. You can do what you like, but starting out a top custom action, good stock, reliable trigger, and quality barrel will put you where you right want to be: your rifle will never be the limiting factor. You might end up in the same position by going another route. Then again, you might not.
granite1
Gold $$ Contributor
Timney
DennisH
Life Time NRA member
I have Kelby's, BAT's, and Savages, it doesn't matter which one I pick up to compete with! A lot has to do with the person pulling the trigger!
DennisH
Life Time NRA member
I have also used Timeny's with great results! Jewels are on my BAT and Kelby Actions.
That's FLAT!
Very nice.
Trigger is the one real weak point, that and the bolt shroud is hideous. I do wish there was a little less slop for the bolt head.
As far as r700 vs savage it's a toss up but o do prefer to get a good trigger.
Depending on a lot of factors including what your use and what you’re expectations are I will say the following. As always I am no expert and lots of other folks with more experience here but...I have an fclass savage that I purchased a couple of years ago in 6.5 x 284. Was the most finicky rifle I have ever owned. It would shoot pretty well most times but very sensitive. I put a shilen barrel from northland on it and it shoots pretty well. Actually very good. As good as I can shoot. My buddy had a Remington 308 in the Remington varment special that had thousands of rounds down it. Accuracy was still pretty good but getting worse. He put a remage barrel on it and it shoots great as well.
Here are my thoughts on the savage. I like it. I can deal with the trigger. It shoots great. Not as many options with stocks and such compared to something with a Remington footprint.
I paid 1500 bucks for the rifle and spent 4 something for the barrel nut and recoil lug as well as action wrench. If I had to do over ( and my next build ) will be on an Atlas, Stiller or similar action with something along the lines of a McMillan stock. If you run the numbers I would have been close to getting there with what I spent.
I am still happy with my rig but given all the facts I may have went a different route. However the fact remains that if I have a rifle now that will shoot as well as I can. But improvements in equipment and ability is why we are all here.
If you choose to go the savage or Remington route and don’t want to spend the extra time money or trouble to go the with a custom, jump in and get it and start shooting. If you decide later to do something different you will still be ok.
Hope that helps
Edit...it’s no harder to install the remage on the Remington than a barrel on the savage.
Here are my thoughts on the savage. I like it. I can deal with the trigger. It shoots great. Not as many options with stocks and such compared to something with a Remington footprint.
I paid 1500 bucks for the rifle and spent 4 something for the barrel nut and recoil lug as well as action wrench. If I had to do over ( and my next build ) will be on an Atlas, Stiller or similar action with something along the lines of a McMillan stock. If you run the numbers I would have been close to getting there with what I spent.
I am still happy with my rig but given all the facts I may have went a different route. However the fact remains that if I have a rifle now that will shoot as well as I can. But improvements in equipment and ability is why we are all here.
If you choose to go the savage or Remington route and don’t want to spend the extra time money or trouble to go the with a custom, jump in and get it and start shooting. If you decide later to do something different you will still be ok.
Hope that helps
Edit...it’s no harder to install the remage on the Remington than a barrel on the savage.
No shit !choice of mediocre vs damn good till an AD bites you
Build the Remington you own. If your going to pay $550 for the savage, pay some more for an R700 clone. Bighorn Origin has a floating bolt head you can change out, and accepts R700 triggers.
The much better looking Marlin XS/L7 bolt is a exact match /swap . It has a better looking bolt shroud , a grooved bolt body and is polished . Unfortunately the bolt shroud itself will not interchange
Warren Dean
Team Savage F-TR
Please explain "weak" ...I've never seen a Savage Accu-Trigger fail....
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
As stated earlier, this is a definitive 50/50 conversation for most folks. Neither group hates the other but there are reasons for having a favorite which might not carry weight for the other team.
If like NASCAR, all cars (rifles) are made relatively equal then it must be the best driver, mechanical crew and strategy which wins. It's also a case of just how much any particular shooter needs or can control in order to succeed to the level they aspire to. Not all of us need or want to be the International F-Class champion. Rather, we enjoy all of the aspects of shooting F-Class (or related competitions) especially the camaraderie at the matches. In addition, not all of us have the larger degree of disposable income to warrant spending $4 - $8,000.00 on a rifle and the accoutrements.
So the decision comes down to what is affordable, keeping wife happy too, and will be at least satisfactory to shoot and you can live with. I quit shooting Remingtons quite a few years ago. I have shot Savages, worked on Savages, built 'custom' Savages and competed against Savages but I will never own one. I was turned to the Dark Side
the first time I shot a custom action. With a range of $900 - $2,500.00, there is something for everyone's tastes and needs. If I can't afford the one I want, I sell something else or wait while I save up the amount needed. But I understand those who want what they want and they want it now!
It wasn't all that long ago when an article about some big championship was won by a man shooting a Savage. This was a big deal event not just some local egg shoot. The reason the article became popular was simply the fact that a Savage had been used to win an International competition. Remember what I said about drivers and cars or shooters and rifles. The shooter will always make the difference.
If you want to drive a Savage or a Remington, jump in and have fun! But when I back the Maserati out of the garage, you better buckle up because I want to blow your doors off!
If like NASCAR, all cars (rifles) are made relatively equal then it must be the best driver, mechanical crew and strategy which wins. It's also a case of just how much any particular shooter needs or can control in order to succeed to the level they aspire to. Not all of us need or want to be the International F-Class champion. Rather, we enjoy all of the aspects of shooting F-Class (or related competitions) especially the camaraderie at the matches. In addition, not all of us have the larger degree of disposable income to warrant spending $4 - $8,000.00 on a rifle and the accoutrements.
So the decision comes down to what is affordable, keeping wife happy too, and will be at least satisfactory to shoot and you can live with. I quit shooting Remingtons quite a few years ago. I have shot Savages, worked on Savages, built 'custom' Savages and competed against Savages but I will never own one. I was turned to the Dark Side
the first time I shot a custom action. With a range of $900 - $2,500.00, there is something for everyone's tastes and needs. If I can't afford the one I want, I sell something else or wait while I save up the amount needed. But I understand those who want what they want and they want it now!It wasn't all that long ago when an article about some big championship was won by a man shooting a Savage. This was a big deal event not just some local egg shoot. The reason the article became popular was simply the fact that a Savage had been used to win an International competition. Remember what I said about drivers and cars or shooters and rifles. The shooter will always make the difference.
If you want to drive a Savage or a Remington, jump in and have fun! But when I back the Maserati out of the garage, you better buckle up because I want to blow your doors off!
Can't say as I blame ya"
Another weird thing about Savage is all the different action screw spacings" and how much inletting is required around the trigger area.
My 4.41 two screw is so hacked out in that area half the rear pillar is cut away.
I my case the only reason to buy a Savage was to change my own barrels without paying a gunsmith.
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