Nat I went with Kelbly Fclass action
Good choicesavageshooter86 said:Nat I went with Kelbly Fclass action
James A. Kelbly said:Panda actions are doing very well in FTR and F Open. I spoke to Paul Phillips last week from Team Sinclair and they have NEVER lost a FTR match and have won the Nationals (6 times) and worlds. Paul informed me just as we know here at Kelbly's Aluminum actions shoot smaller than Steel or stainless. Paul and Team Sinclair switched to F Class Pandas and they shoot a new world record last month in the US Nationals. The aluminum deadens the vibrations. Those that use stainless are now using wood stock in short range and long range to reduce vibrations. If that works for Steel actions just think how much better a aluminum action is in a wood stock, oh yea Larry Barthelemy won Nationals and worlds in 2013 shooting a Stolle in a wood stock. Also the Stolle actions have the best fire ignition system, too give more consistent ignition from shot to shot.
As I have seen it the F Class Panda is winning alot of matches, and especially the big matches.
Look in short range a new world record was shot at 100 yards .008ths and this was with a Stolle Panda Action. Use what is winning and shot a Stolle F Class Panda
Jim
scotharr said:Denys, I think your opinion will change if you measure some different rings and rail combos... with good tools. I've had a chance to check a "few" of these...about 50% of the samples are not perfectly aligned when you mate the rings to the rail. Lapping is a quick and easy way to get them right. Bedding the rings is the best solution if you are willing to take the time to do that. Assuming that something is straight simply because you paid X dollars for it is not wise in my opinion.
bayou shooter said:scotharr said:Denys, I think your opinion will change if you measure some different rings and rail combos... with good tools. I've had a chance to check a "few" of these...about 50% of the samples are not perfectly aligned when you mate the rings to the rail. Lapping is a quick and easy way to get them right. Bedding the rings is the best solution if you are willing to take the time to do that. Assuming that something is straight simply because you paid X dollars for it is not wise in my opinion.
Sorry for the delay in coming back here. On Friday, I took my Panda F-Class-based F-TR rifle out a local range to see if everything was correct after it got one of its new barrels. I had removed the current NXS scope by the simple expedient of loosening the screws holding the rings to the dovetail rail and sliding out the scope. I knew from prior experience (see above) that the scope would slide out easily and it did; no binding. I put the scope back on from the other direction and just tightened the screws to 55 inch pounds and then went shooting.
Everything was fine.
There is ALWAYS something more that people can conjure up to do to their rifle, or ammo in the hope of getting better results. I love to ready about those obsessions, and their pursuit, by others. My philosophy is this; I buy quality components and assemble them to the best of my capabilities. If I have to alter something that should not be altered; there's an issue. In these days of CNC manufacturing, this should not be happening, especially with components coming from the same vendor. In my case, the rings and the action all come from the same place. If I would have to lap these rings, that means there is a major problem.
Jim earlier enjoined us NOT to lap his rings. There's a good reason for that. This is also why I am willing to pay extra for that peace of mind. This is also why I am fixin' to order a new scope and rings from Jim in the next little while and I know that I will not need to lap or bed the rings.
For most other setups, I am a great believer in the Burris Signature rings; those plastic inserts are just the ticket to mount scopes on rifles that are not built from top-notch components. I have quite a pile of those empty plastic bubble cases.
I do assume that top notch equipment is straight; if it's not, it's defective and it's going back because if I see issues with a scope rail, there is no telling what other issues there way be. I'm not going to spend time and money fixing something that is defective.
Erik Cortina said:If you assume the equipment is straight, you will never find out if it is defective, hence my suggestion to check it even if it's top notch.
but i have to look at the rifle at home![]()