Primers are still way over priced

[Ray123]

Its not a rumor we talked about it in the main forum a couple months ago

Hopefully competition will bring the prices down, and at least end the shortages.

 

[drop_point]

That is a solid argument unless they have old stock they bought at a lower price. I think material pricing likely accounts for a 65-75% price increases, but not what we are seeing today.
dave

Say the 2019 price was $39.99, which is about average, a 65% materials price increase in "cost" would net a retail price of $65.98...which is more inline with what local stores are charging. For instance, my LGS where I bought them for $60-70. Above is another example $69/1000 primers. I did buy some CCI 400s from the local Academy sports for $6/100 about six months ago. And so be it if 65% is the increase in cost. What alarms me is the $120+ per thousand that the big online retailers are charging because they were already strangling the local guys out of the market for some time.

 

[ebb]

Yes, it is greed. There are shortages of everything right now, but name one other item that has quadrupled in price. Primers cost what they do because they can.

 

[rijndael]

name one other item that has quadrupled in price

Shipping costs, which have a direct impact on item prices.

Next Threat to Prices: A Surge in Costs to Ship Products

Container ship operators are set to negotiate record-high freight contract rates, which could influence how importers price their goods.

www.wsj.com

Spot prices to send a container from Shanghai to Los Angeles have since eased but continue to hover around $16,000, according to the Freightos Baltic Index, compared with about $4,700 a year earlier.

 

[Longtrain]

…Shooting at my club (trap, skeet, pistol, and rifle) is now a tiny fraction of what it was pre woo han flu…

I belong and shoot at 4 clubs, we’ve lost the occasional competitor, mainly only the dedicated shooters are competing. Clay games are down quite a bit across the board.
At one 300 yd match a seasoned shooter was there to help, but not shoot, saving his ammo for the LR games.

 

[L.Sherm]

Shipping costs, which have a direct impact on item prices.

Next Threat to Prices: A Surge in Costs to Ship Products

Container ship operators are set to negotiate record-high freight contract rates, which could influence how importers price their goods.

www.wsj.com

If I'm not mistaken its been quite a few years since any primers were allowed to come across the pond.
Pretty sure CCI is in Lewiston, Idaho.

 

[rijndael]

If I'm not mistaken its been quite a few years since any primers were allowed to come across the pond.
Pretty sure CCI is in Lewiston, Idaho.

Maybe. But are they "Assembled in America, with Global Materials"?

 

[L.Sherm]

Maybe. But are they "Assembled in America, with Global Materials"?

I dont think anybody is arguing that there's inflation costs, pretty sure its about the amount thats getting charged.

 

[rijndael]

I see import costs separate from inflation, but they're related.

Milk, dairy and meat prices are up too, and they're mostly a domestic product. I would consider that inflation.

 

[L.Sherm]

I see import costs separate from inflation, but they're related.

Milk, dairy and meat prices are up too, and they're mostly a domestic product. I would consider that inflation.

300%

 

[L.Sherm]

300%

Explain post #53

 

[rijndael]

Explain post #53

Explain what part? Do you want to know why prices have skyrocketed when a major producer has cut off all new orders?

If we're not importing primers, where are all of these Ginex primers coming from? Are they produced locally?

 

[SeabeeKen]

Talking to one bullet maker, he says he cant get copper to make bullets.

 

[L.Sherm]

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Ahh i guess why Vista is raising prices 5% April 1 2022 and there up 300%

 

[L.Sherm]

If we're not importing primers, where are all of these Ginex primers coming from? Are they produced locally?

Guess my bad on the Genex never even heard of them untill recently, thought obummers ITAR stopped all importing of primers.
Guess same price for imported primers vrs U.S made wonder how that computes

 

[Doom]

Explain post #53

Read it. It’s pretty self explanatory.

What I see is this. One Organization has 3/4 of the domestic primer producers and also controls two of the largest ammunition suppliers. They have also removed Remington as a primer supplier. Vista can control the ability of handloaders to reload if they so desire. They can force us into buying loaded ammunition if they so desire. Hopefully the new guys in Texas will succeed but they will need to do more than sell primers to stay afloat.

I don’t have any insider information and Vista may not intend to pursue that course but the ability is there.

 

[Doom]

300%

The current price for primers has very little to do with production costs. The price is set by supply versus demand. As long as the demand leaves no product in the supply chain the retailer can set the price as high as he wants. If he sells out at $x then he raises his price the next time he has product. He does this because eventually his cost will increase. As long as buyers are willing to pay $150/brick that’s what the price will be.

 

[wildcatter]

Even if they were made of steel there is not enough material in the cup and the anvil to raise the price like it has. And I guess supply and demand has something to do with it, but greed is the greatest factor in the prices primers and being bought and sold for

Well depends how good your math is, if the price of material goes up 300% as the price did, then that tells me labor went up X amount, Fuel to run the plant and machines, went up X amount, then fuel to get them their and the labor the drivers cost went up X to get them there, oh ya, then shipping hazmat and fuel again to get them to the seller,,, now,, I won't include your fuel to go get em, or the hazmat again to have them delivered, oh ya and the shippers fee,,,, lot of cost you forgot that went up to make your price relevant.. Sorry guy's, this is the way it's worked in a free market for 67 years I'm aware of!

You just gotta learn to buy from reputable sellers, and understand when those that constantly deliver the lowest prices to shooter regardless of what others are charging are the ones we need to honor with our purchases, and those f******* us, hope nobody uys from them and they have to eat em!! Gun owners F******* gun owners I will never honor or give a dime.. period!!

 

[1K6BRA]

Here is the answer, they make them, they have them, we can’t make them, they know that,we want them. They know that and we know that. They can set the price wherever they want to and if we want them we will buy them or we won’t buy them. They also know that the majority of the buyers will eventually cave.

 

[CA_Shooter]

Here is the answer, they make them, they have them, we can’t make them, they know that,we want them. They know that and we know that. They can set the price wherever they want to and if we want them we will buy them or we won’t buy them. They also know that the majority of the buyers will eventually cave.

True above.

I bought a bunch off 22lr to practice with until they decide to lower the price though