IBS Long Range Rulebook
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Jason Boersma
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1/2" up the rail, that's why I make my rails 1/2" tall on the side while placed on a flat surface
I made my rails 7/16so I new there be no question honestly this dead horse has been kicked long enough we need to get our loads tuned up an go shoot an try to make our sport appealing to the young shooters to follow up an keep our sport going let's go shoot.
Stan
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Jason Boersma
Silver $$ Contributor
People have to have something to talk about 
can't wait to go shoot.
Stan, I'll get that 30 cal barrel out this year and let you know how it does.
can't wait to go shoot. Stan, I'll get that 30 cal barrel out this year and let you know how it does.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Now im confused- is my seb neo legal or not? I know its not legal in short range without installing the ratigan one piece bag. I have a different top with a regular bag in it so its not really an issue but im talking about in stock form? Any other sport its legal and very widely used why try to keep folks from shooting with the rest they like?
It's legal and approved Dusty. Keep going!
We are all family and sometimes we show respect and lead way for our elders. Seb has done his job, accept it gentlemen and praise him for providing you with support in every way he can. I don't know what else to say right now.
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seb
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Thanks Jim.
Please check out this exploded drawing...
As you can see, there is an "L" plate (#44) between the side plate and (the back of) the front bag with a pivot point on the top (screw #45), so when you tighten the side tension screw (#43) it will ALWAYS push the BOTTOM PART of the side bag.So, PROPERLY USED & FACTORY PRE-SET, there's no way you could trap the stock in the NEO top & bag configuration!
Of course you "can" trap your stock with any tops & bags when you fill the bag too soft (not enough sand inside) and then tighten the side tension very tight. Or if the top & bag configuration/construction allow you to bite your stock firmly down when you tighten the side tension.
If someones do it, for whatever reason, it's not my business. I never suggest or recommend someone to trap their rifle/stock in the bag, too.
I have shot some big/nationals/worlds match in the USA, UK, and Australia, using various rifles, watching other shooters etc, and if I could recall, never once I saw someone's stock is trapped in the NEO bag/top configuration, including mine.
I would only guess that someone was using an old prototype rest/bag in "your" match.
To the contrary I've seen some other rests & bag configuration that trap the stock firmly down so that the shooter cannot freely lift their rifle up and must "slip" the stock into the bag from the rear.... So by all due respect sir, I think you bark on the wrong place & direction!
One more thing...If (say) I would like to shoot/attend the IBS Long Range Nationals this year or next year, would you & the few others here complain me using a regular NEO rest & bag configuration?
You don't "require" me to paint my rest in pink or to use someone's else rest, right?
ATB,
seb.
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Perhaps a third grader might understand it, but someone familiar with the English language might have more trouble. First of all, what does "plane and simple" mean? Are you talking about an unsophisticated aircraft or do you mean "easy to understand" as in "plain and simple". See what I mean? No offense, but when one is talking about rules pertaining to a competition, it's important to get it right.
Further, what you posted is NOT what the rule says. It is what you think it means or perhaps how you wish they would have written this particular section. Not to say that you're wrong, but if what you say is what the rule means, why don't the rule makers print what you say in preference to what they say? For reasons I don't know, they wrote it differently than you did and, I would say, less well than you did.
To further muddy the waters, the rule apparently says:
"Any part of the rifle resting thereon must maintain one half inch distance from any part of the rest holding the sandbag on which the rifle rests. Wherever the rifle makes contact on its sides there may a maximum one half inch in height and a minimum of one half inch thick on each side. This does not apply to any devise holding the sand bags in place or any fore-end stop."
English is a tricky language and mixing terms like "height" with "thick" can lead to confusion. And what does "its sides" mean; the sides of the rifle or the sides of the bag?
Finally, to show that I'm an equal opportunity nit-picker I'll point out that the rule writers use the word "devise" when, I'm guessing, they really meant to say "device", a completely different word.
I think you and I would agree that the rules should be easy to understand, but in fact this particular rule is poorly written for a couple of reasons. Lack of understand of the language is less important than how the rule addresses the technical aspects of what is of concern while they might have been better off addressing the concern itself. Is it that the front bag can be built to somehow hold down or otherwise capture the front of the rifle? If so, I would suggest that the rule should address that point rather than how one measures a front bag.
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
Like all other bags, it is once you fill it.
Seb, first thing in fixing a problem is admitting you have one. which you refuse to do. i have no dog in this fight but i helped make it legal. I took a lot of heat for it. Don't seem to understand what trapping is and how the rest does it without even being tight because of the height of the tension screw. This is constructive criticism, not an attack on your product. Just trying to make it better. Jim O'Hara
Do the single one piece bags used on the NEO trap the stock? Aren't these used and approved for competition? Notice the location of the side plate tension screws.
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Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
I don't see anything in the rules about the height of rest, just bag.. Unless you tighten so to trap the stock you should be in compliance.. Right? Most rests can trap if one tightens them with the way the bags are pushed from the top if your stock is contoured.. I find that my gun tracks better if it is not trapped..
Ray
Ray
I posted the pictures due to the complaint regarding the location of the side tension screws on the SEB rests. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the height of the rest. Those in the pictures are much higher on the side plates than those on the SEB rests. If a stock is going to be trapped, it's going to happen due to the competitor cranking the screws too tight. It won't be the fault of the design of the rest top. The shooter has a responsibility to comply with the rules. If the stock can't be lifted out of the rest, the shooter has the side plates too tight.
Well if I got one thing out of this, is that I will be adding this to our Benchrest School! Its a lot easier to show someone than to sit here and try to explain it with words. Words are what got us here in the first pace! Now if someone that knows how to do a video and show people, the difference that would be great?
Joe Salt
Joe Salt
Do you have a problem with the SEB rests using a one piece bag, Joe?
dragman
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I agree it is on how the competitor uses the screws that makes it legal or not. I have seen guys who you could grab the barrel and pick up the gun and the rest is attached because they run them so tight. IMHO that is a violation just the same as someone shooting after a seas fire or having a gun 2 ounces over, etc, etc.
Joe,
This is why I asked: the side plate tension screws remain in the same place on the SEB rests, whether the bag is a one piece bag or a three piece bag. Both taper away from the stock at the top of the sides. Looking at it honestly, the 3 piece design is quite an advancement. Not only does it allow you to adjust for different width stocks, it also gives you the ability to place an equal amount of tension against both sides of the stock while still allowing you to lift it from the rest, which is going to enhance the gun's tracking. It is really a simple, well designed piece of modern engineering. We should all be thankful for Seb's existence. He has modernized the front rests.
This is why I asked: the side plate tension screws remain in the same place on the SEB rests, whether the bag is a one piece bag or a three piece bag. Both taper away from the stock at the top of the sides. Looking at it honestly, the 3 piece design is quite an advancement. Not only does it allow you to adjust for different width stocks, it also gives you the ability to place an equal amount of tension against both sides of the stock while still allowing you to lift it from the rest, which is going to enhance the gun's tracking. It is really a simple, well designed piece of modern engineering. We should all be thankful for Seb's existence. He has modernized the front rests.
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