Don't outspend them, but out work em!
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Of course not. I'm not sure what I said that you'd get that from. It's just another game. I personally prefer short range BR for score. I hope that's not a statement that makes anyone mad. Lol! Tuners are great for that game too. So are wind flags where you can use them. Don't laugh too soon. Everybody laughed at flags for long range before Bart set a record or so and kicked everybody's arse with flags..and tuners. I understand flags aren't always going to be practical at a prs match but the more info a shooter has regarding the wind, the better. The sooner they come to that conclusion, the better, too. Several are already using tuners.
As for beating Jeff, I haven't shot against him but I'd say the formula is the same...hard work and don't skimp on the necessary equipment...Mostly hard work, IMO.
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Get off the computer and go shoot.
More specifically, establish a solid tune then shoot in tough conditions. Use flags, a timer, set everything up like you're shooting a match. Do it over the course of a few hours and learn what the groups are telling you related to tune as conditions change throughout the day...and how to fix it. That's my two cents. There will be a quiz in the spring. Lol!
Ii shoulda said, buy a better tuner and flags. I missed that opportunity. Dang it!
That's the problem, right there!
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I helped derail this thing so to get back on track.
One thing that (I believe) holds shooters back is not knowing when their rifle stops shooting and I’m talking mechanical issues. Shooters are often too quick to blame themselves for poor performance and not their equipment. This usually results in a lot of frustration and a slump.
So if your shooting has dropped off try something different. Try a different rifle or Shoot a buddy’s rifle. Have a buddy that’s shooting well, shoot yours. This way you can start to figure out where the problem is.
CRAZY TIP (DON’T Laugh) - SPANK IT! Yep Spank your rifle. Hold your rifle vertically (unloaded of course) by the barrel in front of you and smack the buttstock. Listen for any unusual rattling noises. Do this with the bolt in and out of the rifle.
It sounds stupid, but it’s the first thing I do when I check a rifle that’s not shooting. At the Tack Driver a friend’s Rifle was acting up throwing shots. I gave the rifle a quick spank and detected a strange rattle. Long story short the screws to tighten the Picatinny rail were bottomed out (blind drilled holes) and not holding the rail in place. The list is long of problems I’ve found this way.
Bart
One thing that (I believe) holds shooters back is not knowing when their rifle stops shooting and I’m talking mechanical issues. Shooters are often too quick to blame themselves for poor performance and not their equipment. This usually results in a lot of frustration and a slump.
So if your shooting has dropped off try something different. Try a different rifle or Shoot a buddy’s rifle. Have a buddy that’s shooting well, shoot yours. This way you can start to figure out where the problem is.
CRAZY TIP (DON’T Laugh) - SPANK IT! Yep Spank your rifle. Hold your rifle vertically (unloaded of course) by the barrel in front of you and smack the buttstock. Listen for any unusual rattling noises. Do this with the bolt in and out of the rifle.
It sounds stupid, but it’s the first thing I do when I check a rifle that’s not shooting. At the Tack Driver a friend’s Rifle was acting up throwing shots. I gave the rifle a quick spank and detected a strange rattle. Long story short the screws to tighten the Picatinny rail were bottomed out (blind drilled holes) and not holding the rail in place. The list is long of problems I’ve found this way.
Bart
Good stuff Bart! Thanks. Not sure I would've found it with a good spankin, but a few years ago, I had a front screw barely bottom out on a glued and screwed rifle. In fact, I shot it like that at your place with the concrete monkey. You weren't around. Drove me crazy shooting in the 3's. I was a little embarrassed
. Finally found it and it went back to shooting but I had already overlooked it so it took me a little while to find it. It was a Viper drop port aluminum action. The screw was just barely touching the steel insert the bbl screws into. Chased my tail on that sucker for a while before finally starting over from scratch, double checking everything. Found it on the 2nd go around. Shouldn't have missed it the first time, but I did. I checked it but just missed it. Like I said, it was barely touching. Trust me, these stocks move! I guess the pillar compressed a tad or just wore a thou or so, just enough to create a touch. That gun was a shooter. It sucked going to your place and shooting like shat!
jackieschmidt
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I shoot both Short Range Group and Score. Been doing it to close to 30 years. I am fairly good at both, but as of late, I am shooting more Score. It tends to suite my shooting style a little more than Group, as I am not much of a runner.
I would really like to add something to the thread content, but after reading it’s entirety, I don’t think I have anything much to offer…………..except.
I tend spend a lot, (maybe too much), and I practice a lot.
I would really like to add something to the thread content, but after reading it’s entirety, I don’t think I have anything much to offer…………..except.
I tend spend a lot, (maybe too much), and I practice a lot.
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I've seen your targets Jackie, with no sighters. Pretty amazing to me how anyone can shoot that well trusting their flag/wind call from 30 minutes prior without firing at least one sighter. That's just unreal or maybe even impossible around here, but either way..congrats and kudos on some awe inspiring shooting that I've seen from your targets. Just crazy good!
In score at least I believe It all depends on where your shooting and the conditions. On bad days a good shooter can win with a rifle that’s not in tune but on a “trigger pulling contest” kinda day a shooter that’s not as good reading the conditions with a fine tuned rifle can beat the most skilled shooter with a rifle that goes out of tune.
It’s those skilled conditions readers with a well tuned rifle that will clean your clock.
It’s those skilled conditions readers with a well tuned rifle that will clean your clock.
The guys that have the hunger to win, and the consistent discipline all the way thru everything they do, in whatever part of the process they are doing, from research to execution, are the ones that win the most. Do each and every detail and technique/strategy you can actually control, properly, and the only variable left is the wind, weather and your mental state that day. And we are all our own worst enemy in dealing with the mental state, and that is what usually beats us, one doubt, one chance, one mistake.
R.Morehouse
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Find and buy yourself this for Christmas. It is a quick read and you will read it more than once. It will help you focus your head. It really IS a good book...........
Regards
Rick
Regards
Rick
tom
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Back on the first or second page, the conversation detoured into optics for a couple posts. I find in the 1,000 yard game it matters if you're goal is doing well on score as well as group, at least for me. The good news, for my eyes, one of my favorites is a less expensive option. This past season was a perfect example, as I knew in February I had a barrel that didn't spit shots, but was certainly not going to shoot small enough to nock out any group aggs. So I set the rifle up to make weight with one of my old 12-42s, and committed to more sighters, more attention to score. I hate the stress of not seeing why a 6mm moved a few inches at 1,000, but that's all I figured I'd have for the boys, and I can't afford, or won't, the dozen barrel at a time thing.
Tom
Tom
Ahhhhh.....But sometimes you need to spend them coins for better
equipment to make life easier !! So what I'm thinking here, and after
9 pages; Mike's thread is actually a "Catch 22" !! Or another way of
putting it is....."Your damned if you do and damned if you don't" !!
JEFFPPC
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You pay a price but you live in beautiful country SPJ. I am in good shape with case production for the coming season. Just keeping my bench manners sharp with springer pellet rifle at 25 yards daily. Shooting .250 and under groups at 25yds will keep you focused. First 200 yd winter bench match up on Rockton Mt is coming up. Some winter shoots there make me think I am where your at, snowing and blowing so hard you can't see the backstop much less the target. But we get great turnouts for these matches, actually better then the 3 different summer matches we run. Stay warm and dry.
Just another bottom dweller SR Score shooter sitting around doing nuthin'.
AlNyhus
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I'm not real smart but I can lift heavy stuff.Wednesday looks decent, but my poor old barrel will probably frost over in sub zero temps and maybe me tooooo…
About time you got something done.
"If the women don't find 'ya handsome, they should at least find 'ya handy." -Red Green
Stay warm out there. -Al
drop_point
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It seems to me that out-working will also mean out-spending here in 2022 moving into 2023.
Yepper !! December has been brutal....
Prices of everything are just crazy, if you even find what you need. But I think that's the case for all of us, unfortunately. Kinda gets back to my post a few pages back that said it was too expensive to get into this game...while driving a $80,000 truck, pulling a $50,000 boat. Ya gotta want it. If someone doesn't want it bad enough to make the financial commitment, I doubt seriously that they'll be willing to do the work either. I'm far, far from wealthy but the cost of this game is still the easiest part of it. With the exception of those few shooters that do all it takes to chase points. That's just another level of cost due to travel to as many big points matches as possible. Not to mention the work to be competitive at the very top of the game. Some will remember Jim Wooten, a very good IBS score shooter from I think one of the Carolinas, maybe Georgia. The year he won the IBS SOY, he told me how many miles he traveled to matches that year and I want to say he told me 50,000 miles. Don't hold me to that number but it was a crazy number, regardless. Now that's buying success to a point but it wasn't without the work either...not by a long way. It was very much both! Haven't seen or heard from Jim in a long time. Hope he's still around and doing well. Super nice guy and he definitely earned that SOY plaque. I think it was about 2009 or so. Only a few chase it to that point and we can compete and have a great time without being a point champion. But he wanted it and clearly was committed to it.
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