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Forgive the interruption but while y’all SR guys are arguing about your tuners some of us LR guys will be tuning brass and getting ready to do some fire forming in 2 ft of snow and sub zero temps…. And the young people y’all want to get involved in a factory class are over at the PRS event doing calculations their laptops, and shooting Steele at 1400 yards with the 6.5 MB so how do ya plan on getting a new crowd interested in a sport full of grouchy Gray tops ?
Lol! You must not have been to a Sr match in a while. It's a great time and not much grouchiness to be found.

But I appreciate that you're putting in the work to do what you love.
 
Forgive the interruption but while y’all SR guys are arguing about your tuners some of us LR guys will be tuning brass and getting ready to do some fire forming in 2 ft of snow and sub zero temps…. And the young people y’all want to get involved in a factory class are over at the PRS event doing calculations their laptops, and shooting Steele at 1400 yards with the 6.5 MB so how do ya plan on getting a new crowd interested in a sport full of grouchy Gray tops ?
Hey SPJ, you better catch up. I have brass turned , loaded, and have been fire forming it all summer as foulers for two new barrels. When your fire forming this winter we will be having winter matches. I have left these matches when it's below zero but it's ok, us old Gray tops have no fear, just experiemce. Try or keep up young fellow, lol.
 
Hey SPJ, you better catch up. I have brass turned , loaded, and have been fire forming it all summer as foulers for two new barrels. When your fire forming this winter we will be having winter matches. I have left these matches when it's below zero but it's ok, us old Gray tops have no fear, just experiemce. Try or keep up young fellow, lol.
I know I’m behind the curve. I’ll double my efforts…;) Hold on a minute.. what’s with leaving a match when its below zero ?
 
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Clay
I don’t try and change anyones ways, in my near 70 years I’ve found that fruitless and non productive, but we have all adjusted our outlook at one time of another. ( a 308 vs 6 br for example)

The question remains- how to get young people involved in BR when the PRS offers national events with 250 shooters, huge prize tables, timed shooting challenges through obstacles and all the participants speak the same ballistic program.
Jim
 
Clay
I don’t try and change anyones ways, in my near 70 years I’ve found that fruitless and non productive, but we have all adjusted our outlook at one time of another. ( a 308 vs 6 br for example)

The question remains- how to get young people involved in BR when the PRS offers national events with 250 shooters, huge prize tables, timed shooting challenges through obstacles and all the participants speak the same ballistic program.
Jim
Simply put, I don't care for prs style matches..They're not for everybody, young or old. I understand it's allure to some people. I'm just not one of them. I've done that type of shooting and I'm not knocking anybody that wants to do it. It's just a different game. Another thing...they like to shoot factory ammo and such..Kinda the opposite of what this thread is about. Kinda like circle track or drag racing. Both involve cars but similarities stop shortly after that.
 
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Simply put, I don't care for prs style matches..They're not for everybody, young or old. I understand it's allure to some people. I'm just not one of them. I've done that type of shooting and I'm not knocking anybody that wants to do it. It's just a different game. Another thing...they like to shoot factory ammo and such..Kinda the opposite of what this thread is about. Kinda like circle track or drag racing. Both involve cars but similarities stop shortly after that.
Well ok, are you eliminating a customer base in the prs crowd ?
No matter, let’s circle back to short range and tell me what advice would you give to a shooter that wants to beat a guy like Jeff that’s 200 years old and all that wisdom ?
 
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Well ok, are you eliminating a customer base in the prs crowd ?
No matter, let’s circle back to short range and tell me what advice would you give to a shooter that wants to beat a guy like Jeff that’s 200 years old and all that wisdom ?
Of course not. I'm not sure what I said that you'd get that from. It's just another game. I personally prefer short range BR for score. I hope that's not a statement that makes anyone mad. Lol! Tuners are great for that game too. So are wind flags where you can use them. Don't laugh too soon. Everybody laughed at flags for long range before Bart set a record or so and kicked everybody's arse with flags..and tuners. I understand flags aren't always going to be practical at a prs match but the more info a shooter has regarding the wind, the better. The sooner they come to that conclusion, the better, too. Several are already using tuners.

As for beating Jeff, I haven't shot against him but I'd say the formula is the same...hard work and don't skimp on the necessary equipment...Mostly hard work, IMO.
 
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Well I must have misinterpreted , the first three sentences of your previous post kinda lead me there. My apologies .
I’m not a prs shooters either but from the reports the numbers for attendance are very impressive and I’m pretty sure most venders have taken notice as well.
Back to SR and my friend @JEFFPPC who for example is using the same tuner and same flags equipment etc. as I do, what can I do this winter to beat him next spring ?
 
Well I must have misinterpreted , the first three sentences of your previous post kinda lead me there. My apologies .
I’m not a prs shooters either but from the reports the numbers for attendance are very impressive and I’m pretty sure most venders have taken notice as well.
Back to SR and my friend @JEFFPPC who for example is using the same tuner and same flags equipment etc. as I do, what can I do this winter to beat him next spring ?
Get off the computer and go shoot.:)
More specifically, establish a solid tune then shoot in tough conditions. Use flags, a timer, set everything up like you're shooting a match. Do it over the course of a few hours and learn what the groups are telling you related to tune as conditions change throughout the day...and how to fix it. That's my two cents. There will be a quiz in the spring. Lol!

Ii shoulda said, buy a better tuner and flags. I missed that opportunity. Dang it!;) That's the problem, right there!
 
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I helped derail this thing so to get back on track.

One thing that (I believe) holds shooters back is not knowing when their rifle stops shooting and I’m talking mechanical issues. Shooters are often too quick to blame themselves for poor performance and not their equipment. This usually results in a lot of frustration and a slump.

So if your shooting has dropped off try something different. Try a different rifle or Shoot a buddy’s rifle. Have a buddy that’s shooting well, shoot yours. This way you can start to figure out where the problem is.

CRAZY TIP (DON’T Laugh) - SPANK IT! Yep Spank your rifle. Hold your rifle vertically (unloaded of course) by the barrel in front of you and smack the buttstock. Listen for any unusual rattling noises. Do this with the bolt in and out of the rifle.

It sounds stupid, but it’s the first thing I do when I check a rifle that’s not shooting. At the Tack Driver a friend’s Rifle was acting up throwing shots. I gave the rifle a quick spank and detected a strange rattle. Long story short the screws to tighten the Picatinny rail were bottomed out (blind drilled holes) and not holding the rail in place. The list is long of problems I’ve found this way.

Bart
 
I helped derail this thing so to get back on track.

One thing that (I believe) holds shooters back is not knowing when their rifle stops shooting and I’m talking mechanical issues. Shooters are often too quick to blame themselves for poor performance and not their equipment. This usually results in a lot of frustration and a slump.

So if your shooting has dropped off try something different. Try a different rifle or Shoot a buddy’s rifle. Have a buddy that’s shooting well, shoot yours. This way you can start to figure out where the problem is.

CRAZY TIP (DON’T Laugh) - SPANK IT! Yep Spank your rifle. Hold your rifle vertically (unloaded of course) by the barrel in front of you and smack the buttstock. Listen for any unusual rattling noises. Do this with the bolt in and out of the rifle.

It sounds stupid, but it’s the first thing I do when I check a rifle that’s not shooting. At the Tack Driver a friend’s Rifle was acting up throwing shots. I gave the rifle a quick spank and detected a strange rattle. Long story short the screws to tighten the Picatinny rail were bottomed out (blind drilled holes) and not holding the rail in place. The list is long of problems I’ve found this way.

Bart
Good stuff Bart! Thanks. Not sure I would've found it with a good spankin, but a few years ago, I had a front screw barely bottom out on a glued and screwed rifle. In fact, I shot it like that at your place with the concrete monkey. You weren't around. Drove me crazy shooting in the 3's. I was a little embarrassed:oops:. Finally found it and it went back to shooting but I had already overlooked it so it took me a little while to find it. It was a Viper drop port aluminum action. The screw was just barely touching the steel insert the bbl screws into. Chased my tail on that sucker for a while before finally starting over from scratch, double checking everything. Found it on the 2nd go around. Shouldn't have missed it the first time, but I did. I checked it but just missed it. Like I said, it was barely touching. Trust me, these stocks move! I guess the pillar compressed a tad or just wore a thou or so, just enough to create a touch. That gun was a shooter. It sucked going to your place and shooting like shat!:)
 
I shoot both Short Range Group and Score. Been doing it to close to 30 years. I am fairly good at both, but as of late, I am shooting more Score. It tends to suite my shooting style a little more than Group, as I am not much of a runner.

I would really like to add something to the thread content, but after reading it’s entirety, I don’t think I have anything much to offer…………..except.

I tend spend a lot, (maybe too much), and I practice a lot.
 
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I shoot both Short Range Group and Score. Been doing it to close to 30 years. I am fairly good at both, but as of late, I am shooting more Score. It tends to suite my shooting style a little more than Group, as I am not much of a runner.

I would really like to add something to the thread content, but after reading it’s entirety, I don’t think I have anything much to offer…………..except.

I spend a lot, and I practice a lot.
I've seen your targets Jackie, with no sighters. Pretty amazing to me how anyone can shoot that well trusting their flag/wind call from 30 minutes prior without firing at least one sighter. That's just unreal or maybe even impossible around here, but either way..congrats and kudos on some awe inspiring shooting that I've seen from your targets. Just crazy good!
 
In score at least I believe It all depends on where your shooting and the conditions. On bad days a good shooter can win with a rifle that’s not in tune but on a “trigger pulling contest” kinda day a shooter that’s not as good reading the conditions with a fine tuned rifle can beat the most skilled shooter with a rifle that goes out of tune.
It’s those skilled conditions readers with a well tuned rifle that will clean your clock.
 

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