DEON announces the March-X 8-80X56 HM WA X "MAJESTA" with videos

[6BRA]

I hope you have better luck with Euro Optic than I did when I bought mine. Great scope, never got to use it tho. Very disappointed with there Customer Service. Nothing like buying a new scope for $4363 and getting a used one thats has 2 scratched on it and a box that’s been beat up. 3 of the comers of the box was ripped with one of them being a inside corner that was taped back together. The box was not sealed in any way when I received it. Still waiting for a refund. Not happy with them at all.

What's it been 3 weeks? I would be unglued. Sounds like you got a display. 5k and this? If you display a scope, sell it as a display. That's ridiculous! Hope it gets resolved soon Mark! Furthermore who wants a beat up scope at 5k? Just wrong all the way around!

 

[Fuj]

Euro Optics currently has a used Majesta and listed for $3600.
I deal with them the most when it comes to optics. I also drive
there and get things in person. I always get a generous cash and
Vet discount. Good people in my book.....Hope things get corrected.

 

[buckeye68]

I will be on the phone with them on Monday morning asking where my refund is.

 

[buckeye68]

Euro Optics currently has a used Majesta and listed for $3600.
I deal with them the most when it comes to optics. I also drive
there and get things in person. I always get a generous cash and
Vet discount. Good people in my book.....Hope things get corrected.

It has the same radical I had. I’m not saying it‘s the same one but seeing they only one in stock when I bought mine and they had no replacement for an exchange. If I was a betting man, I would put my money it’s the same one.

 

[buckeye68]

I will be on the phone with them on Monday morning asking where my refund is.

Looks like there is no need for the call, just got a credit for the scope.

 

[Ranger188]

Euro Optics is usually pretty good.
If they would have told you up front that it was a demo and
said, do you want it for $3600 that's one thing but to pass it
off as "new" and full price is another.

 

[buckeye68]

Euro Optics is usually pretty good.
If they would have told you up front that it was a demo and
said, do you want it for $3600 that's one thing but to pass it
off as "new" and full price is another.

I 100 % agree. I’ve bought a few NF from them and never had a problem before this.

It looks like they have a new sales tactic. Put a nice green NEW tag by the price and then read the description it says USED.

Just disappointed with them.

 

[6BRA]

I 100 % agree. I’ve bought a few NF from them and never had a problem before this.

It looks like they have a new sales tactic. Put a nice green NEW tag by the price and then read the description it say USED.

Just disappointed with them.

Now you know the dealer cost on one of these.

 

[F Class John]

 

[jamesdmock]

How does the super Ed glass compare to the Nightforce Competition glass?

I have shot both the 10x-60x HM and the NF 15x-55x Competition and they are VERY close in optical quality. As a matter of fact, my almost 80 year old eyes could not differentiate. There are only four scopes that I have been able to see 6mm bullet holes at 600 yards. The NF Competition, the March 10x-60x HM, the Valdada Terminator and the Sightron 10x -50x X 60mm ED.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I have shot both the 10x-60x HM and the NF 15x-55x Competition and they are VERY close in optical quality. As a matter of fact, my almost 80 year old eyes could not differentiate. There are only four scopes that I have been able to see 6mm bullet holes at 600 yards. The NF Competition, the March 10x-60x HM, the Valdada Terminator and the Sightron 10x -50x X 60mm ED.

I missed the original question from @dthomas some months back.

Let me explain what Super ED glass is. Super ED glass is made from a material that contains a fair amount of CaF2 (calcium fluorite.) Super ED glass has an Abbe number (94.94) that is almost identical to pure fluorite crystal glass (94.99), but the Super ED glass is not fragile like CaF2 glass. ED glass has an Abbe number around 50-60 depending on the maker. Non-ED glass has a lower Abbe number.

The Abbe number is a measure of the amount dispersion of light refracted by the glass material, where higher number indicates less dispersion. So higher number, better CA control. Pure CaF2 glass is the best glass to control dispersion, which is why it has the highest Abbe number.

Optics make can control CA by using various types of glass in their optical formula, to control the dispersion of specific wavelengths. The more a lens bends (refracts) the light the greater the dispersion of the wavelengths. It's easier to control CA with ED and especially Super ED than with non-ED glass.

I always like to say that under perfect conditions, all top tier optics perform really well. It's when things get hairy that some brands rise above others. We have found that ED and especially Super ED glass has more resistance to IQ corruption due to mirage. I seriously doubt anyone can see 6mm bulletholes at 600 yards in heavy mirage.

But with the March-X 10-60X56 HM I could stay at my customary 50X and get a decent picture of the rings. I know that with the Majesta, at 80X, I get a shootable image of the rings at 1000 yards. I have now shot 3 1000-yard matches in South Texas all at 80X, and I could place the circled-dot on the reticle exactly where I wanted on the rings or with the hash marks. At 80X.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I missed the original question from @dthomas some months back.

Let me explain what Super ED glass is. Super ED glass is made from a material that contains a fair amount of CaF2 (calcium fluorite.) Super ED glass has an Abbe number (94.94) that is almost identical to pure fluorite crystal glass (94.99), but the Super ED glass is not fragile like CaF2 glass. ED glass has an Abbe number around 50-60 depending on the maker. Non-ED glass has a lower Abbe number.

The Abbe number is a measure of the amount dispersion of light refracted by the glass material, where higher number indicates less dispersion. So higher number, better CA control. Pure CaF2 glass is the best glass to control dispersion, which is why it has the highest Abbe number.

Optics make can control CA by using various types of glass in their optical formula, to control the dispersion of specific wavelengths. The more a lens bends (refracts) the light the greater the dispersion of the wavelengths. It's easier to control CA with ED and especially Super ED than with non-ED glass.

I always like to say that under perfect conditions, all top tier optics perform really well. It's when things get hairy that some brands rise above others. We have found that ED and especially Super ED glass has more resistance to IQ corruption due to mirage. I seriously doubt anyone can see 6mm bulletholes at 600 yards in heavy mirage.

But with the March-X 10-60X56 HM I could stay at my customary 50X and get a decent picture of the rings. I know that with the Majesta, at 80X, I get a shootable image of the rings at 1000 yards. I have now shot 3 1000-yard matches in South Texas all at 80X, and I could place the circled-dot on the reticle exactly where I wanted on the rings or with the hash marks. At 80X.

Thank you for your recent and very informative posts on optics. Good info, for sure , in terms of the technical difference and what we are buying when we shell out the bucks for high end glass.

I think that people should buy the best glass they can afford, albeit, in good light, the differences become small but...this is a competition, where everything matters. I don't have the high end March scopes but the ones I've looked through have been exceptional.

The topic cam up on another forum concerning the LR reticle. I love that reticle, specifically for short range br but more generally, I think any kind of BR can benefit from it. It was mentioned that the LR reticle can't be put in the newer models. Can you say if that is indeed true and if there is a workaround to make it available in the top end March scopes. That reticle has a great deal of value, especially as magnification levels get higher and higher, reducing fov. Thank you!

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Thank you for your recent and very informative posts on optics. Good info, for sure , in terms of the technical difference and what we are buying when we shell out the bucks for high end glass.

I think that people should buy the best glass they can afford, albeit, in good light, the differences become small but...this is a competition, where everything matters. I don't have the high end March scopes but the ones I've looked through have been exceptional.

The topic cam up on another forum concerning the LR reticle. I love that reticle, specifically for short range br but more generally, I think any kind of BR can benefit from it. It was mentioned that the LR reticle can't be put in the newer models. Can you say if that is indeed true and if there is a workaround to make it available in the top end March scopes. That reticle has a great deal of value, especially as magnification levels get higher and higher, reducing fov. Thank you!

The more I learn about glass and optics, the more I realize the depth of my ignorance on the subject. But that has never stopped me from talking about it.

Let's talk about the LR reticle.
There are two types of reticles used by DEON in the March scopes; wired and etched. The wire reticles are the Crosshair, Dot and Di-plex, as well as the LR. These are actual wires attached to a ring, they are not etched on a piece of glass. The March-X 5-50X56, 8-80X56 and the 10-60X56HM all are available with these wired reticles. The actual riflescope tube is a tad shorter, which means that if you have one of those scopes you can get the reticle changed but only for another wired reticle. If you have one of those scopes with an etched reticles (all other reticles) you can get that reticle changed but only for another etched reticle. So, wire to wire; and etched to etched.

The March Fixed power 48X52, and 40-60X52 only come with a wired reticle: Crosshair, Dot and LR; no Di-plex.

The March 10-60X52 is similar to the March-X in that there is a wired version and an etched version.
For the wired version, they offer the Crosshair, Dot and Di-plex reticles, not the LR.

So it seems that you are correct that the LR reticle is not offered in the wire versions of the non-fixed power scopes. I do not know why that is so, it would seem that it should be available for those. I would suggest you contact DEON and ask them about it, if you really wanted to have the LR reticle in a March-X 10-60X56 HM or a 10-60X52.

Now, the Majesta only comes with etched reticles, there are no wired reticles for it, and I can think of at least 27 reasons why this would be so. However, I should think it would be possible to produce an etched LR reticle, but one of the claims to fame for the Majesta is its extraordinary FOV (25° AAOV) and I have been told by people whom I trust that BR shooters do not want the extra FOV; they live by the mantra "see small, miss all" or some such. Imagine my confusion when I read in your response that you seem to appreciate FOV.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Whoa, hold the phone. I see DEON just posted an extensive information piece about the MAJESTA riflescope.

Standout features and the construction of the new March 8-80×56 Majesta riflescope | Quality, Factory | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design CorporationMARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation

MARCH Scopes Official Site

marchscopes.com

 

[mr45man]

take up bowling and spare us?

Love it.

 

[Ccrider]

Ok. None of you guys have mentioned the eyebox. What are you finding?

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Ok. None of you guys have mentioned the eyebox. What are you finding?

At 80X, first you have to find the eyebox.

Yes, it's very tight at that magnification. I have people coming over to my mat, asking to look through the Majesta. The problem is that I am always at 80X now, so when they first look through it, it takes a while to get situated. However, if I crank it down to something mundane, like 55X or 42X, there's all kinds of eyeboxing going on. The wide-angle eyepiece presents a lot of view.

I usually crank down to 40X or so when I get setup in the morning and line everything up. Then, when I'm good to go, I crank up to 80X and leave it there for the day. Since we use electrornic targets, we are able to set up 3 to a target at Bayou Rifles and we just leave the set up on the ground with EICs inserted while the other relays shoot.

Back to 80X. It's tight, but then again, you need to have perfect form to score well in F-class and once you see the target properly, you know you're set up properly on the rifle. I certainly would not be using 80X in a PR-style match where you have straddle between an overturned rusted car body and a 2-legged barstool using a mirror to aim.

The Majesta @ 80X is for high precision shots in proper position. Beware, once bitten by the 80X bug, anything less seems so far away.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

The more I learn about glass and optics, the more I realize the depth of my ignorance on the subject. But that has never stopped me from talking about it.

Let's talk about the LR reticle.
There are two types of reticles used by DEON in the March scopes; wired and etched. The wire reticles are the Crosshair, Dot and Di-plex, as well as the LR. These are actual wires attached to a ring, they are not etched on a piece of glass. The March-X 5-50X56, 8-80X56 and the 10-60X56HM all are available with these wired reticles. The actual riflescope tube is a tad shorter, which means that if you have one of those scopes you can get the reticle changed but only for another wired reticle. If you have one of those scopes with an etched reticles (all other reticles) you can get that reticle changed but only for another etched reticle. So, wire to wire; and etched to etched.

The March Fixed power 48X52, and 40-60X52 only come with a wired reticle: Crosshair, Dot and LR; no Di-plex.

The March 10-60X52 is similar to the March-X in that there is a wired version and an etched version.
For the wired version, they offer the Crosshair, Dot and Di-plex reticles, not the LR.

So it seems that you are correct that the LR reticle is not offered in the wire versions of the non-fixed power scopes. I do not know why that is so, it would seem that it should be available for those. I would suggest you contact DEON and ask them about it, if you really wanted to have the LR reticle in a March-X 10-60X56 HM or a 10-60X52.

Now, the Majesta only comes with etched reticles, there are no wired reticles for it, and I can think of at least 27 reasons why this would be so. However, I should think it would be possible to produce an etched LR reticle, but one of the claims to fame for the Majesta is its extraordinary FOV (25° AAOV) and I have been told by people whom I trust that BR shooters do not want the extra FOV; they live by the mantra "see small, miss all" or some such. Imagine my confusion when I read in your response that you seem to appreciate FOV.

Thank you for taking time to reply. Unless I'm missing something, it appears to be Deon's choice not to offer the LR reticle as opposed to it not being a possibility due to design...which is how I interpreted what I read elsewhere.

From what you say, it appears they COULD put the wired lr reticle in wired scopes or an etched lr reticle in etched models...if they chose.

As to your last comment, I've always heard it as "aim small, miss small" relating to more magnification and its benenfits rather than having anything to do with fov...but I may be wrong, too. Personally, I can see no down side to a wider fov, particularly for the shooting sports involving the use of flags. It just seems logical, having the far flags that we can't see with the naked eye, very well..in the scope. I'd have to see if I can find the info somewhere but I think the LR reticle was inspired by Lou Murdica. It seems at some point, I was not alone in liking the idea. I also like the concept of the wider fov of the Majesta discussed but I think I'd like to see it carried further with the LR incorporated into it as well, as an option.

I can understand obvious differences in preferred reticles for different disciplines. For short to mid range, and just my opinion, I prefer a simple and uncluttered design. Some like a simple ch and some, a dot. If I were designing it for myself, I'd do a 3/32 dot in the LR design. Again, I like an uncluttered design but I could live with some small dots or hash marks along the vertical stadia, below the horizontal ones...but that's just me. I know short range br is a small market, especially when divided even further by personal preferences even within sr.

With ever increasing magnification available and aside from the somewhat wider fov of the Majesta...as power increases, fov is dramatically reduced. I have had bigger scopes but have opted to go back to scopes in the 40-45x range for this reason. Sure, I could turn down a 80x too. But there are some deals on the lower powered scopes with many going bigger and bigger as technology and quality allow.

I'm getting more and more requests for a larger wind flag and I think this is in part, why...but I don't see it being a cure. Even at twice the size and not seeing them in the scope, we won't see the subtle angle changes at distance. I feel like we have taken a good thing too far. Everyone likes more magnification...no doubt but it comes at the price of reduced fov and not having those further flags in the scope. The LR reticle helps to have some of the best of both, imho.

Again, thanks for taking the time to reply. --Mike

 

[Fred Bohl]

You are correct, the LR stands for Lou's Reticle (Lou Murdica). Works great for Benchrest to better see your flags particularly in the original fixed 40x, 50x and 60x scopes.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

You are correct, the LR stands for Lou's Reticle (Lou Murdica). Works great for Benchrest to better see your flags particularly in the original fixed 40x, 50x and 60x scopes.

Thanks Fred! I'm surprised it wasn't more popular and I wonder if some sr shooters steered clear of it assuming LR stood for long range. I think once you give one a try, all potential concerns go out the window. Perhaps some were apprehensive about the design for some other reason. Again, jmho but it has no down sides to me.