NF Comp 15-55x52 or March. HM 10-60/Majesta 8-80x56

[Fuj]

My question on March is why so many for sale. Lots of shooters I know have went from several to 1 or none.

Jeff.....Mines going down the road. I put the NF comp back on the main
rifle. I do like it more then my High Master. I'm going to call EuroOptics
where I get the bulk of my scopes, and do a little horse trading for another
Comp. And yes, your seeing less and less March's on the line. As for the
Majesta ?? It probably has it's niche, Just does'nt fit in mine and not worth
the discussion. The March situation lately reminds me of Schmidt and Bender
a few years back. Don't see them around anymore but still offered for big
bucks.....Pass

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

For benchrest with flags, I think this March reticle just makes way too much sense. It lets you put more flags in your fov. It's caller the LR reticle. Supposedly it stands for "Lou's Reticle", as Lou Murdica had input in them offering it. I wish it was available in ALL benchrest scopes.

 

[tvaught]

these can be a very enlightening tool for the serious competitor

 

[newbieshooter]

My question on March is why so many for sale. Lots of shooters I know have went from several to 1 or none.

That's a new one on me. I visited the Marketplace here for optics, and I had to get to page 12 or something to find any mention of March for sale. It was actually sold inside of 3 hours and it was not a Majesta. I did see some people LOOKING for a March and another selling a March, one of the older models, and it was immediately picked up.

I went thru the Optics Marketplace over the years & found:
27 NF Comps for sale
23 March 10-60 HMs for sale
4 March Majestas for sale

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I went thru the Optics Marketplace over the years & found:
27 NF Comps for sale
23 March 10-60 HMs for sale
4 March Majestas for sale

When the Majesta was released, a lot of HMs went on sale as people upgraded. Majesta don't stay listed very long.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Jeff.....Mines going down the road. I put the NF comp back on the main
rifle. I do like it more then my High Master. I'm going to call EuroOptics
where I get the bulk of my scopes, and do a little horse trading for another
Comp. And yes, your seeing less and less March's on the line. As for the
Majesta ?? It probably has it's niche, Just does'nt fit in mine and not worth
the discussion. The March situation lately reminds me of Schmidt and Bender
a few years back. Don't see them around anymore but still offered for big
bucks.....Pass

Thank you for the chuckle.
In the annals of clueless statements, the above ranks right up there with Ken Olsen's (CEO of DEC, 1977), famous observation: "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."

 

[Fuj]

Thank you for the chuckle.
In the annals of clueless statements, the above ranks right up there with Ken Olsen's (CEO of DEC, 1977), famous observation: "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."

I appreciate the response but your the one with Majesta tatooed on
his fore head and cant' seem to see any other discipline fitment for
your chosen glass. Talk about clueless. Someone makes a comment
and you go all 6th grade on them, and not just this thread......Don't
bother to respond. your on the ignore list......

 

[JEFFPPC]

I went thru the Optics Marketplace over the years & found:
27 NF Comps for sale
23 March 10-60 HMs for sale
4 March Majestas for sale

And over the years how many NF have been sold new compared to March. I would guess a large difference. I just never saw the advantage but my main reason has always been the need to send them out of country for repair.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

And over the years how many NF have been sold new compared to March. I would guess a large difference. I just never saw the advantage but my main reason has always been the need to send them out of country for repair.

I hear what you are saying. I'm absolutely convinced there are far more Comps out there compared to March HM and Majestas. They have been making the Comp for 15 years and it's half the cost of the Majesta and 33% less than an HM. It's also lighter than the Majesta by quite a bit and it's a good scope. The March HM is 5 years old, and the Majesta is 2 years old.

I see a lot more Chevy SUVs on the road than I see a Lexus LX 600 Luxury SUVs.

As for your comment about sending them out of the country for repair, that is a valid point. But there is a track record of DEON being extremely responsive when repairs are needed.

 

[ELR LVR]

I’ve owned March and NF FFP MRAD scopes. But typically I have chosen other brand FFP premium scopes due to better glass/image quality and the past few years I’ve bought Schmidt, ZCO, & Tangent specifically for glass preferences in those branded FFP MRAD scopes.

I am an unknown distance shooter and typically buy FFP optics w/ 0.1 MiL adj turrets. High mag to me is max power of about 27x.
The last couple of years I have competed in some F-TR and have done very well while using my FFP 5-25 or 27 Mag scope with coarse MRAD adj’s. My scopes are are obviously sub optimal for known distance F-Class shooting to say the least. Reticles are too large/coarse and turrets far to coarse adjustments with the tenth MIL clicks vs .125moa click adjustments.

I have enjoyed the F-TR comps a lot so I am ready to spend money on more appropriate high mag 1/8 moa adj SFP scopes. It would be nice to dial 40x or more on a 600 yd target and maintain a fine aim point. My rifle set up is fine but heavy FFP scopes are the wrong tool for square range high accuracy shooting. I need high mag SFP with fine 1/8 moa adjustment clicks.

I trust the NF brand (as well as March) re: durability, reliability, robustness, and overall mechanical quality. So why choose March when could buy two NF Comp’s for about same price?

Plus, NF is lighter weight slightly and I like to have as much weight as possible in my barrels rather than in a scope. Is the glass in either March HM and/or Majesta really better and brighter than NF Comp.? Most top shooters it seems choose the NF Comp.
I understand we all see things slightly differently and the above questions are subjective in nature to some extent. However, I believe glass quality (clarity, brightness, resolution, contrast, low light performance) opinions of experienced users can get closer to objective opinions.

Just want to see consensus among those who have owned and tested each. Are your choices based on economics, overall optical quality, mirage considerations, or some other driver?

I may buy used and try both over the next year to answer such questions if responses to this thread go both ways. Buying used optics is a win in that I don’t lose as much if decide to resale after trying it out.

Thanks

Nice choice of scopes
There is also the Kahles 10-50x56
Havent seen them in Mils yet though
but the glass will be up there

 

[JEFFPPC]

If my Sightron SVED 10-50×60 had 5 more power I would not even look at anything else.

 

[True Grit]

I have a Majesta, it has better glass than a Nightforce. Is it worth the extra money? I don't think so.

 

[jxb]

I bought my NF comp ‘new’ from optics planet, to my door for about 2grand with free shipping and no sales tax in Mt.
Guys want that much for used ones so why not just buy new.

J

I did similar via eurooptic and nice savings, as new condition and full warranty so why not. Love that scope.
Nightforce Competition 15-55x52 FCR-1 Riflescope C514 Demo $1,999.99

no sales tax here, not yet but the Californicators keep trying to get it added.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

"My question on March is why so many for sale. "

Were they Democrats?

My 10-60 HM will only be for sale in my estate! I may buy a NF competition at some point, but certainly would not part with the March ( or the Kahles 10-50 )

Having seen the Majesta - amazing Maybe...one day.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I’ve heard reports of March being dark at higher magnifications, the ones I’ve looked through seemed to reflect that as well.

Wow, that sounds like someone who doesn't know how optics work. Or course a riflescope gets darker as magnification increases, they all do. The Comp at 80X is a lot darker than the Majesta, due to its 52mm objective. Oh, wait...

The amount of light coming into a riflescope is dictated by the size of the objective lens. The size of the image going to your eye (exit pupil) is a function of the objective lens diameter divided by the magnification. For the Majesta at 80X, the exit pupil is 56/80 = 0.7mm. At 55x, it would be 56/55 = 1.02mm.

 

[Mulligan]

I have had several NF comps and as many March 10-60 HM's and still have a March 10-60 (not HM).
All have worked well.
The March glass is better is several ways. It is brighter..... no question about that. You can run at a higher magnification during periods of heavy mirage. You still see the mirage, but you can look past it and see the target much more clearly.

Additionally,
I have sent both back for repair, both have been repaired and function well. However, the responses were a bit different.

NF---- "Our scopes don't do that.....your rings are loose. What rings are you using?" My reply "Kelbly", their response, "Never heard of them, buy good rings".

March---- You are correct, your elevation is out of spec, ( BTW, they replaced the glass at their cost while in was in Japan)........ To and from Japan in 2-3 weeks. First rate service!

Both repaired without cost, One outfit treats you like a human the other, not so much.

I have been beat by both in short range BR, long range BR, and F-Open.

If Zero Compromise ever decides to make a BR scope, it could be a game changer. CLEAR!!!

CW

 

[JFrank]

Wow, that sounds like someone who doesn't know how optics work. Or course a riflescope gets darker as magnification increases, they all do. The Comp at 80X is a lot darker than the Majesta, due to its 52mm objective. Oh, wait...

The amount of light coming into a riflescope is dictated by the size of the objective lens. The size of the image going to your eye (exit pupil) is a function of the objective lens diameter divided by the magnification. For the Majesta at 80X, the exit pupil is 56/80 = 0.7mm. At 55x, it would be 56/55 = 1.02mm.

There is no need for insults, and guys don’t have to be an optics expert to look at a target through a scope. I reported what I viewed when looking through a March compared to NF comps, I’ve also had world record holders tell me the same thing and btw comps only go to 55x but stay bright and clear at full power. If you don’t agree that’s fine because we live in America and we the right to disagree but you don’t have the right to be a jerk.
I’ll delete my previous post to avoid upsetting the optics experts.

Have a nice day.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

There is no need for insults, and guys don’t have to be an optics expert to look at a target through a scope. I reported what I viewed when looking through a March compared to NF comps, r. If you don’t agree that’s fine because we live in America and we the right to disagree but you don’t have the right to be a jerk.
I’ll delete my previous post to avoid upsetting the optics experts.

Have a nice day.

Oh my, I seemed to have stepped in it again. It's a problem when I'm discussing optics with most people, it's not just you, when they discuss comparisons between various riflescopes.

I'm apologize in advance for using your words "against" you but consider this an educational experience for everyone.

I've frequently said that the vast majority of scope comparisons is bunk, because people don't understand what they are trying to compare and how that affects their impressions.

You said: "I’ve also had world record holders tell me the same thing and btw comps only go to 55x but stay bright and clear at full power." Let's go from there.

First of all, we discount the appeal to authority "had world record holders", it's immaterial to the discussion.

Of course I know that Comps only go to 55X, but do you know what their low end is? It's 15X. So, the range of a Comp is 15X to 55X, or 3.6X zoom. A March-X 10-60X56 HM is 10X to 60X, or 6X zoom. A Majesta is 8X to 80X, a 10X zoom. I have witnessed countless people at SHOT show and endless matches and other venues grab a riflescope, put it at the bottom magnification and zoom all the way to the top. 3.6X zoom is nothing to the human eye, it will adapt to the moderate dimming and you won't realize it. However, do the same thing with a 6X zoom., and you will notice a difference from end to end. Now do that with a 10X zoom, and the dimming is even worser.

Immediate conclusion and overall impression? The Comp doesn't dim, whereas the March HM does, and the Majesta is even worse. Case closed, mind made up.

Nobody, nobody, EVER does a comparison with a Majesta going from 15X to 55X. It's NOT ever done, I've never seen it with ANY other scope.

From that point forward, your mind is made up and that's what you tell the world.

Don't even think of coming back and saying you tested the scopes the same way, if you had done that, you would have mentioned it. NOBODY does it that way.

Now, I have said many times that the Comp is a good scope, excellent even for what it is, a 15-55X52 optic. It's been around a LOT longer than the Majesta, it's easy and inexpensive to make and the manufacturer sponsors a lot of shooters, and more power to them.

A Majesta costs a lot of money because its assembly is more critical due to its optical formula (10X zoom) and its Super ED glass (chock full of fluorite crystal glass), its thick, machined fancy aluminum body, with the sophisticated Shuriken turrets and the argon (not nitrogen) fill are expensive.