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DEON announces the March-X 8-80X56 HM WA X "MAJESTA" with videos

have question to you guys with multiple high end scopes and experience behind them , I have few scopes myself but my top end scopes till now been Vortex Golden Eagle ,NF benchrest and my best NF competition .Decided to sell Vortex and get new top end scope and after long research got Majesta 8-80X high master ,went to the 1000 yard range today and brought with me my NF comp and Majesta and ......NF glass give me much better image then Majesta ,mirage or not at 40-50X NF is brighter and can see better details , NF competition is the clear winner here , do I have bad/faulty Majesta scope ?
iT'S REALLY HARD TO BEAT nf cOMP GLASS. yOU HAVE TO DIG PRETTY DEEP INTO THE DETAILS AND EVEN THEN, THE nf IS STILL VERY GOOD. tO MY EYE, IT'S STILL THE BEST GLASS OUT THER FOR MY DISCIPLINES BUT mARCH DOES HAVE SOME BENEFICIAL ATTRIBUTES.

Oops! Sorry for the caps. But not enough to re-type it. Lol!
 
have question to you guys with multiple high end scopes and experience behind them , I have few scopes myself but my top end scopes till now been Vortex Golden Eagle ,NF benchrest and my best NF competition .Decided to sell Vortex and get new top end scope and after long research got Majesta 8-80X high master ,went to the 1000 yard range today and brought with me my NF comp and Majesta and ......NF glass give me much better image then Majesta ,mirage or not at 40-50X NF is brighter and can see better details , NF competition is the clear winner here , do I have bad/faulty Majesta scope ?
At what magnification did you compare the riflescopes? Since the NF is stuck at 55X, maje sure you set the Mahesta at 55X also, if you want to compare correctly. You will notice that the FOV of the Majesta is dramatically larger than the toilet paper tube of the NF. The image will be brighter and the exit pupil wider due to the 56mm objective of the Majesta instead of the 52mm objective of the NF.

I always remind people to compare like for like.
 
The other thing that many people neglect to do is adjust the eyepiece and also set the side focus correctly, The Majesta is like Ferrari, it must be driven properly.
 
At what magnification did you compare the riflescopes? Since the NF is stuck at 55X, maje sure you set the Mahesta at 55X also, if you want to compare correctly. You will notice that the FOV of the Majesta is dramatically larger than the toilet paper tube of the NF. The image will be brighter and the exit pupil wider due to the 56mm objective of the Majesta instead of the 52mm objective of the NF.

I always remind people to compare like for like.
was mostly using 40X and that's the thing ,Majesta FOV was NOT any bigger then NF comp at 40X ,maybe a hair , I centered both scopes at 40X on 1 MOA target at 1018 yards and looked how many side targets I can see at the same time and it was just about same FOV but NF comp image was clearer all the way to 55X ,after that Majesta dims big time , I am talking sunny day and for me that 80X is a joke , like sun went down ,do I have perfect NF comp or broken Majesta HM or just my eyes doing that ?
 
Everyone's eyes are different. Go with what you see best through.
Don't worry about the hype.
The NF comp. is the gold standard for top level scopes.
Just use it and like it.
Are their better scopes?
Maybe to some and what different conditions they use it in.
I have both and like both for different reasons.
 
was mostly using 40X and that's the thing ,Majesta FOV was NOT any bigger then NF comp at 40X ,maybe a hair , I centered both scopes at 40X on 1 MOA target at 1018 yards and looked how many side targets I can see at the same time and it was just about same FOV but NF comp image was clearer all the way to 55X ,after that Majesta dims big time , I am talking sunny day and for me that 80X is a joke , like sun went down ,do I have perfect NF comp or broken Majesta HM or just my eyes doing that ?
That makes no sense. Are you sure you have a Majesta? They are easy to identify, they are titanium gray and have the name Majesta engraved on the left side of the objective. I'm joking a little but, but I have never seen that. So you can understand my confusion.
 
I switched to the Majesta from a Kahles K-1050. I can't say the sight picture is hugely better than the K-1050 , both being really good, but my gun was a little light and I like the extra weight of the March. It has been flawless for me so far. I would suggest finding a fellow shooter with a Majesta and having a look through theirs to make sure you don't have something going on.
 
was mostly using 40X and that's the thing ,Majesta FOV was NOT any bigger then NF comp at 40X ,maybe a hair , I centered both scopes at 40X on 1 MOA target at 1018 yards and looked how many side targets I can see at the same time and it was just about same FOV but NF comp image was clearer all the way to 55X ,after that Majesta dims big time , I am talking sunny day and for me that 80X is a joke , like sun went down ,do I have perfect NF comp or broken Majesta HM or just my eyes doing that ?
I don't think it's just your eyes as you are looking thru the NF with same set of eyes

There are a lot of us who were more than a little disappointed in the Ferrari.
That's the thing. I was expecting a Ferrari and got a Camaro. I already had a Camaro
 
Our Eyes are vastly different. Its like looking through someone else's perscription glasses
and expecting the same results as the owner of said glasses.
What works for you may or may not work for me. You need to try them out and weed through the ones
that dont work. Ive sold 50 % of the scopes ive purchased to try something else.
I have what works for me in my Competition environment and application.
 
I switched to the Majesta from a Kahles K-1050. I can't say the sight picture is hugely better than the K-1050 , both being really good, but my gun was a little light and I like the extra weight of the March. It has been flawless for me so far. I would suggest finding a fellow shooter with a Majesta and having a look through theirs to make sure you don't have something going on.
The Kahles K-1050 is a fine riflescope, but it has a tiny AOV, which by my calculations based on the information at their website is 17.2°; forget the toilet paper roll, this is like looking through a straw. Just as a reminder, the Majesta as an AOV of 25°. At 1000yards, the FOV of the Majesta @73X is the same as the K1050 @ 50X. Or put another way, when they are both at 50X, the FOV of the Majesta is 69% larger and yet presents the same magnification to the eye.
 
Our Eyes are vastly different. Its like looking through someone else's perscription glasses
and expecting the same results as the owner of said glasses.
What works for you may or may not work for me. You need to try them out and weed through the ones
that dont work. Ive sold 50 % of the scopes ive purchased to try something else.
I have what works for me in my Competition environment and application.
That's not correct. If the eyes were vastly different, there would be no way to build riflescopes for someone without having an eye exam, so that analogy is flawed.

Riflescopes have diopter adjustments, which unfortunately many people do not know how to set properly. I have written at length about this. Suffice it to say that if you do not have the diopter set properly, you're shortchanging yourself. When you get to the extreme magnification of the Majesta, that's when it's critical to have the diopter set properly for your eye to that image.

Also, because of the extreme magnification, the side focus is also critical. DEON includes a middle wheel that fits on the side focus turret and provides greater granularity of focus. If you do not have it mounted on your Majesta, you're shortchanging yourself. I use a large wheel to further complement the side focus turret. This is for two reasons: I have arthritis in my left hand; and it provides ever greater granularity of focus.

I would urge you to read this note at the Marchscopes.com website.

Now, what is very different from shooter to shooter is the brain and the experiences, and this is where we come into confusing stuff.

The brain does a HUGE amount of work interpreting the image that the riflescope sends to the eye. The eye is actually quite a piss poor sensor device in many respects, and the brain has to do a LOT of work to interpret what it's getting from the eye. This interpretation is formed by experience, and this is both a good and bad thing.

What I am finding it that if a shooter has been using the exact same scope for a long time, getting adjusted to another riflescope can be very difficult. This is even more pronounced with older shooters, and by that I mean past 60 years old. And the older you are with a LONG experience with a scope, the more difficult it is to use something else. For instance, the NF Comp is an excellent scope, but in terms of optical horsepower, it's nothing compared to the Majesta. Yet some shooters find it difficult to adapt to a Majesta, because they are so used to the Comp. For these shooters, especially the older ones, it takes time to build the experience with a new riflescope, if they are not used to using different ones for the same task.

Remember, the brain is a pattern recognition machine. "I've seen this before, this is what it really looks like."

I know many Majesta owners who have multiple copies of it. Almost all of them are younger than I (70), and some by a few decades. I do know of at least one owner older than I, who also has multiple Majestas, and that person is also one who is well versed in trying multiple brands and models at the same task.

It took me a while to realize that the brain and its experiences could have such an impact on how people view through scopes. As I said, it's not the eyes that are different, it's the brain.
 
was mostly using 40X and that's the thing ,Majesta FOV was NOT any bigger then NF comp at 40X ,maybe a hair , I centered both scopes at 40X on 1 MOA target at 1018 yards and looked how many side targets I can see at the same time and it was just about same FOV but NF comp image was clearer all the way to 55X ,after that Majesta dims big time , I am talking sunny day and for me that 80X is a joke , like sun went down ,do I have perfect NF comp or broken Majesta HM or just my eyes doing that ?

I don't know what to tell you. It's possible that your Majesta is flawed, but I don't see how it could be that it shows the same FOV as the Comp when the Majesta has a 25° AOV and the Comp has a 18.9° AOV.

Yes, the Majesta's image will dim as you crank in the magnification, but your eye will compensate after a while. A hint here is to wear sunglasses before coming up to shoot and have some type of hat or cover to shield the eye. It's like walking inside out of the bright sun. It takes a bit of time for your eyes to adjust. At 70 years old, I find that when I go indoors out of the sun, I am virtually blind for a little bit, especially if the shades are down to keep out the sun. (One of the many joys that come with age.)

However, I am shooting my Majesta at 80X all the time at Bayou Rifles. Yes, it's dark in the very early morning, but it gets better quickly. I am not alone in this respect, most people I see with a Majesta at Bayou are running at 80X or very near it. Some people have reported that it does am even better job in mirage stepping down from 80X to something like 75X.

Apart from that, and what I wrote earlier here, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe let another Majesta owner look through yours or the other way around.
 
I don't know what to tell you. It's possible that your Majesta is flawed, but I don't see how it could be that it shows the same FOV as the Comp when the Majesta has a 25° AOV and the Comp has a 18.9° AOV.

Yes, the Majesta's image will dim as you crank in the magnification, but your eye will compensate after a while. A hint here is to wear sunglasses before coming up to shoot and have some type of hat or cover to shield the eye. It's like walking inside out of the bright sun. It takes a bit of time for your eyes to adjust. At 70 years old, I find that when I go indoors out of the sun, I am virtually blind for a little bit, especially if the shades are down to keep out the sun. (One of the many joys that come with age.)

However, I am shooting my Majesta at 80X all the time at Bayou Rifles. Yes, it's dark in the very early morning, but it gets better quickly. I am not alone in this respect, most people I see with a Majesta at Bayou are running at 80X or very near it. Some people have reported that it does am even better job in mirage stepping down from 80X to something like 75X.

Apart from that, and what I wrote earlier here, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe let another Majesta owner look through yours or the other way around.
you might be right I have NF comp for a while the reason I think it's my eyes /brain is that you give me piece of mail to read inside and I need glasses ,I take it outside and I can read it ,that extra light does the trick and NF image is brighter ,also it might not be just how much but light spectrum that my brain loves and NF glass lets through , I am not scientist but maybe NF people discovered something great or just got lucky but I saw magazine that showed statistics in which 60% or so F class open shooters were using NF comp ,way more the Majesta and I think most of them are middle age or grandpas like me so maybe NF comp is perfect for older eyes ?
 
you might be right I have NF comp for a while the reason I think it's my eyes /brain is that you give me piece of mail to read inside and I need glasses ,I take it outside and I can read it ,that extra light does the trick and NF image is brighter ,also it might not be just how much but light spectrum that my brain loves and NF glass lets through , I am not scientist but maybe NF people discovered something great or just got lucky but I saw magazine that showed statistics in which 60% or so F class open shooters were using NF comp ,way more the Majesta and I think most of them are middle age or grandpas like me so maybe NF comp is perfect for older eyes ?
You misunderstood my point about older shooters.

Anyway, the NF Comp is a fine scope and has been around for something like 15+ years. It is substantially lighter than the Majesta and costs a lot less. The Majesta has only been around for 2 years but has racked up an impressive number of wins in F-Open. There are few Majestas in F-TR because of its weight.
 
The Majesta is a fine scope...its not what I was eluding to. I was trying to to express the fact that I needed to
try most all my options out there before deciding on what I liked to use.
Nothing more implied here.
 
You misunderstood my point about older shooters.

Anyway, the NF Comp is a fine scope and has been around for something like 15+ years. It is substantially lighter than the Majesta and costs a lot less. The Majesta has only been around for 2 years but has racked up an impressive number of wins in F-Open. There are few Majestas in F-TR because of its weight.
I think I will give Majesta another try, I know it is great scope that's why I pulled $4800 from my wallet in the first place , ( don't tell my wife ) as far as FOV, calculator says Majesta has roughly 28 feet FOV at 40X at 1000yards and NF comp has about 26 feet with same 40X , I am shooting 1 foot targets all the way to 2 inch so the extra foot on left and right of 26-28 feet field across..... could not tell the difference , thanks everybody for all the advise
 

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