DEON announces the March-X 8-80X56 HM WA X "MAJESTA" with videos

[Tim Singleton]

I recently bought a Majesta specifically for the upcoming tack driver 300 meter match
Ive been practicing at 300 yards. Some of my first impressions. It's not a magic wand for Mirage at all.
It was actually a little muddy looking. I dialed down to 60x it got some better
I could see 6mm bullet holes in heavy mirage which was one of the main reasons for buying it
The mirage wasn't as bad as it gets at Orangeburg SC
I will report back next week

 

[Fuj]

Thanks guys! I'll get the 10-60x HM with the 56mm objective.

I have shot enough short range the past year and a half with my
March 10-60x56 HM to say that it's no better then my 15-55 NF
Comp. The March though really comes into it's own at 600 yards
and beyond. The NF saves you about a thousand bucks also. I may
head over to Euro Optics and trade my March in, plus a little cash
for two NF Comps.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I recently bought a Majesta specifically for the upcoming tack driver 300 meter match
Ive been practicing at 300 yards. Some of my first impressions. It's not a magic wand for Mirage at all.
It was actually a little muddy looking. I dialed down to 60x it got some better
I could see 6mm bullet holes in heavy mirage which was one of the main reasons for buying it
The mirage wasn't as bad as it gets at Orangeburg SC
I will report back next week

I suspect you have not read this thread completely or the other thread that I started back in 2020:

ED glass, CA and mirage

Since I can't shoot rifles at long range during the Wuhan virus pandemic, I can at least think about it. So, while reflecting on the atmospheric vagaries than engender issue looking at a target on 1000 yards, I dedicate a few neurons to try to explain why I believe that ED glass helps tame the...

forum.accurateshooter.com

I would also point you to a short article of mine that was posted recently at the Marchscopes.com site:

Observation and shooting tips of the March 8-80×56 Majesta Riflescope by Denys Beauchemin (USA) | March Owners -Shooting, Reviews, Competitions etc. | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design CorporationMARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation

MARCH Scopes Official Site

marchscopes.com

Go read those and then come back here. I'll wait...

Ok, now that you have read up more about mirage ED glass and how to use the Majesta, let me add some more information.

As was stated several times in the pieces that you just read, ED glass and especially Super ED glass control CA and in the case of Super ED, the CA control is indistinguishable from that of pure fluorite crystal (CaF2) glass. It was discovered that ED and even more so Super ED glass reduced the IQ degradation due to mirage. I hypothesized why that would be so in that other long thread, and DEON published an article about that a few years back.

But what does that really mean to the competitor shooting a match in heavy mirage? As I said multiple times in the past, the IQ of the Majesta will degrade, and the image will not win any photographic awards as it can be downright yucky. (Sorry for the technical term here.)

On the other hand, and as opposed to other riflescopes, the target remains shootable. By that I mean that at 80X in mirage conditions, the image of F-Class target at 1000 yards can still be counted on to place the reticle surgically on the target and take the shot without worrying that the target is not where we think it is. The aiming black is still round, the rings are still distinct and identifiable. As I said, the target is shootable, whereas in other riflescopes the aiming black is acting like an amoeba on crack and the rings are just one big blurry mess, if they can even be seen at all.

I started to write about how I arrived at the final design for the MTR-WFD reticle in the Majesta based on observations in mirage conditions, but we'll leave that for another day. For now, suffice it to say, that it's important to understand WHAT you are seeing in the riflescope and find out how to make it work for you.

There is no other riflescope on the planet that presents a wide-angle (25° AOV) picture of the target all the way to 80X. When your brain (which is the most important component in interpreting what the Majesta is presenting) is accustomed to seeing the image of the target at 80X in various conditions, you will be able to use the advantages provided by the Majesta. In the MTR-WFD reticle, I built in some cues that will further help the F-class shooter hold the waterline in bad mirage. Will the IQ of the Majesta (or any other optical riflescope) ever go beyond the yuckiness (there's that technical term again) presented to your eye (and then brain)? Nope, but the target will remain very shootable and that's the important part.

 

[Tim Singleton]

I suspect you have not read this thread completely or the other thread that I started back in 2020:

ED glass, CA and mirage

Since I can't shoot rifles at long range during the Wuhan virus pandemic, I can at least think about it. So, while reflecting on the atmospheric vagaries than engender issue looking at a target on 1000 yards, I dedicate a few neurons to try to explain why I believe that ED glass helps tame the...

forum.accurateshooter.com

I would also point you to a short article of mine that was posted recently at the Marchscopes.com site:

Observation and shooting tips of the March 8-80×56 Majesta Riflescope by Denys Beauchemin (USA) | March Owners -Shooting, Reviews, Competitions etc. | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design CorporationMARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation

MARCH Scopes Official Site

marchscopes.com

Go read those and then come back here. I'll wait...

Ok, now that you have read up more about mirage ED glass and how to use the Majesta, let me add some more information.

As was stated several times in the pieces that you just read, ED glass and especially Super ED glass control CA and in the case of Super ED, the CA control is indistinguishable from that of pure fluorite crystal (CaF2) glass. It was discovered that ED and even more so Super ED glass reduced the IQ degradation due to mirage. I hypothesized why that would be so in that other long thread, and DEON published an article about that a few years back.

But what does that really mean to the competitor shooting a match in heavy mirage? As I said multiple times in the past, the IQ of the Majesta will degrade, and the image will not win any photographic awards as it can be downright yucky. (Sorry for the technical term here.)

On the other hand, and as opposed to other riflescopes, the target remains shootable. By that I mean that at 80X in mirage conditions, the image of F-Class target at 1000 yards can still be counted on to place the reticle surgically on the target and take the shot without worrying that the target is not where we think it is. The aiming black is still round, the rings are still distinct and identifiable. As I said, the target is shootable, whereas in other riflescopes the aiming black is acting like an amoeba on crack and the rings are just one big blurry mess, if they can even be seen at all.

I started to write about how I arrived at the final design for the MTR-WFD reticle in the Majesta based on observations in mirage conditions, but we'll leave that for another day. For now, suffice it to say, that it's important to understand WHAT you are seeing in the riflescope and find out how to make it work for you.

There is no other riflescope on the planet that presents a wide-angle (25° AOV) picture of the target all the way to 80X. When your brain (which is the most important component in interpreting what the Majesta is presenting) is accustomed to seeing the image of the target at 80X in various conditions, you will be able to use the advantages provided by the Majesta. In the MTR-WFD reticle, I built in some cues that will further help the F-class shooter hold the waterline in bad mirage. Will the IQ of the Majesta (or any other optical riflescope) ever go beyond the yuckiness (there's that technical term again) presented to your eye (and then brain)? Nope, but the target will remain very shootable and that's the important part.

I hadn't seen the need to read your original 2020 post to tell you the truth

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I hadn't seen the need to read your original 2020 post to tell you the truth

I get that. And there's no reason why you should have thought to read it.

That said, it chronicles a journey of observations and discovery over a period of several years that tries to explain how to deal with mirage, the great challenge of the long-range shooter and how it was addressed for F-Class. @Fred Bohl is a fervent believer in the March 48X52 for short range BR and I will point out that this riflescope also has Super ED glass.

(It's a good thing I didn't waste everyone's time writing about the conception of the MTR-WFD reticle.)

 

[avidflyer]

i've shot mine all season and I still think it's extremely muddy.... a couple times, I actually thought my night force at 600 yards did a better job than the Majesta. good scope not knocking it. I like the 80 power and it's definitely better at 80 power than the older versions.

 

[Tim Singleton]

I get that. And there's no reason why you should have thought to read it.

That said, it chronicles a journey of observations and discovery over a period of several years that tries to explain how to deal with mirage, the great challenge of the long-range shooter and how it was addressed for F-Class. @Fred Bohl is a fervent believer in the March 48X52 for short range BR and I will point out that this riflescope also has Super ED glass.

(It's a good thing I didn't waste everyone's time writing about the conception of the MTR-WFD reticle.)

I'll catch up. I have started it now
I own 3- 48x Highmasters and like them a lot. I have a sightron SVED 50x I bought a couple years ago for the 300 meter match, and still couldn't see the holes in the afternoon mirage with it
seeing bullet holes would be huge at this match. I had hoped the Majesta would work and it may do the trick.
I'll know in a few days

 

[dthomas]

I do like my majesta but there is plenty of times at long range alley that I could not even see the rings when the mirage picked up. Turning down the magnification didn't help either.

 

[Tim Singleton]

I do like my majesta but there is plenty of times at long range alley that I could not even see the rings when the mirage picked up. Turning down the magnification didn't help either.

That was the most concerning thing to me.
Turning it down didnt seem to help much

 

[Ccrider]

Informative post. I have shot the Sightron SVSSED, Nightforce Comp, Majesta and Valdada Precision. They all handle mirage differently and all have their benefits and drawbacks.

 

[Ranger188]

Informative post. I have shot the Sightron SVSSED, Nightforce Comp, Majesta and Valdada Precision. They all handle mirage differently and all have their benefits and drawbacks.

Can you explain how you see the differences between them?
I know this is a personal view, but would still like to hear it.

 

[Tim Singleton]

The mirage just appears heavier on yhebmajesta even dialed down to 50x

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

The mirage just appears heavier on yhebmajesta even dialed down to 50x

That is to be expected. The glass in the Majesta lets you detect mirage better and sooner than other glass. For an F-class shooter, the ability to discern mirage is important, critical even. I love to see the waves, the flux of the mirage in the Majesta when the other riflescopes show nothing and just get blurry.

Some people are adding modifier disks and other aperture reducers in an attempt to detect more mirage sooner, with the Majesta, the glass does that for you.

But the mirage does not distort the target and make it move around. The aiming black is still round, and the rings are round and distinct, and the target is shootable. That's the benefit of the Majesta.

 

[Ccrider]

Can you explain how you see the differences between them?
I know this is a personal view, but would still like to hear it.

I will in the future, after I have set them up side by side in the same conditions. I have my thoughts but want to test further before putting it to writing. I shot the Precision for an entire year in our local match. I have shot the Majesta for 4 matches.

I still have a Comp. I no longer have a Sightron although I had two at one time. Do not read anything into this. The Sightrons are fine scopes with the best parallax adjustment of any scope I have used. If they had 60 magnification I would still have them.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

What do you mean about "best parallax adjustment" ? Not playing games here, just trying to understand what people detect.

 

[afret]

The Sightron SV has a two speed parallax adjustment. It makes it very easy to adjust.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

The Sightron SV has a two speed parallax adjustment. It makes it very easy to adjust.

Understood. One of the neat features of the Majesta is the fact it comes with an inner wheel that fits on the turret of the side focus. This provides for much better granularity when focusing the image. I went ahead an installed the large wheel on my Majesta to provide even more granular control and to help with my arthritis. It is very rare for me to have to rapidly change focus from 100 yards to 1000 yards during a match. In fact, I don't remember ever having to do that. But as I explained in the note at the Marchscope.com website, I do fiddle with the side focus during the day at a match, especially when I am set at 80X, which is virtually all the time. I love my big wheel for focus touch up.

It's discussed here:

Observation and shooting tips of the March 8-80×56 Majesta Riflescope by Denys Beauchemin (USA) | March Owners -Shooting, Reviews, Competitions etc. | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design CorporationMARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation

MARCH Scopes Official Site

marchscopes.com

My Kowa has two knobs for focus also, but I find that I usually only use the fine focus.

 

[Ccrider]

What do you mean about "best parallax adjustment" ? Not playing games here, just trying to understand what people detect.

I use the extra “side focus inner wheel” on my Majesta. It is certainly adequate. However, it does not come close to the ease and, what I will call minute control of the Sightron system.

 

[afret]

Yup, it works very well.

 

[gregc66]

How does the super Ed glass compare to the nightforce competition glass?

have question to you guys with multiple high end scopes and experience behind them , I have few scopes myself but my top end scopes till now been Vortex Golden Eagle ,NF benchrest and my best NF competition .Decided to sell Vortex and get new top end scope and after long research got Majesta 8-80X high master ,went to the 1000 yard range today and brought with me my NF comp and Majesta and ......NF glass give me much better image then Majesta ,mirage or not at 40-50X NF is brighter and can see better details , NF competition is the clear winner here , do I have bad/faulty Majesta scope ?