62-grain ELD-VT with 9 Twist

[Varmint Shooter]

I have a 22XC and 223AI both with 8 twist barrels shooting the 62gr-VT. Both shooting
bug holes and deadly on p-dogs. Vary stable.

 

[dantiff2]

I have a 22XC and 223AI both with 8 twist barrels shooting the 62gr-VT. Both shooting
bug holes and deadly on p-dogs. Vary stable.

Glad you hear you are having Great results! I'm thinking about going to 22XC after my 6mm XC barrel gives up the ghost. My initial thought was 9 twist but after all my research, I'm dead set on an 8 twist (when the time comes). I don't shoot comps, just long range steel and want to put my NV on this setup with my can for night hunting. I would try the 62's first, but if they don't pan out not sure what direction to go in. V-maxes would probably hold up to the fast rpm's better than most others. My concern would be a detonation inside the suppressor : O

 

[urbanrifleman]

Glad you hear you are having Great results! I'm thinking about going to 22XC after my 6mm XC barrel gives up the ghost. My initial thought was 9 twist but after all my research, I'm dead set on an 8 twist (when the time comes). I don't shoot comps, just long range steel and want to put my NV on this setup with my can for night hunting. I would try the 62's first, but if they don't pan out not sure what direction to go in. V-maxes would probably hold up to the fast rpm's better than most others. My concern would be a detonation inside the suppressor : O

Well now there is a new crop of 69 grain varmint bullets. Both Sierra and Hornady have come out with them. And it's hard to beat the 53 grain V-Max which shoots very well in an 8 twist.

 

[Mike in Oregon]

"You need to buy 100 of the 62eldvt to test in your gun". That's the plan!

 

[Mike in Oregon]

This^^^
There are plenty of guys who have built predator rigs with 7 twist barrels, to shoot these 62vt's only to find they can't get them to shoot and now cannot run the lighter weight varmint bullets without backing velo's way down so they don't spin them apart. The on skin performance looks amazing with the 62's, IF you can get them to shoot.

Well, that's discouraging!

 

[Mike in Oregon]

As urbanrifleman said, I'm not too understanding of the calculators, as I'm newer to this and do not fully understand it. I do use it for trajectories though.

All this as well as all my other guns will get sorted out when load development starts. I have to say, I was discouraged when I initially watched the video and then when Hornady said what they had to say. I built both the 22 and 6 Creedmoor's for long-range rock chucks and PD's under the advisement of both gunsmith and barrel manufacture.

Some of the thought was to take some twist out to lower pressure to extend barrel life a wee bit more if I remember right. Meanwhile, I have added the 69-grain ELD-VT as a bullet for load development.

Thanks guys!!!

 

[spaniel]

My 22ARC is a 7.5 twist, it shoots the 62VTs great. I pushed them as hard as I could out of a 9 twist 223AI, results were abysmal.

 

[DLT]

So how/why would it shoot a heavier 80-grain ELD shown in picture so well? That group reflects the 3rd, 4th and 5th shot out of that gun. The first two were sighters. I guess we'll just have to wait till load development starts!

I have read many times that that new 62 is pretty picky. My 8 twist creedmoor wouldn’t shoot it good at all.

 

[Frankm]

Mike, keep us updated on your 69 Eld VT results. I ve got lots of 62 s for my 8 twist 22-250 AI but picked up a box of 69 Eld VT myself just to see velocity difference and how that compares to expected velocity loss. ( thinking 100-125 fps slower with 69; we ll see)

The 62 VT comes out of 27” 22-250 AI very easily at 3550 fps and sub moa.

 

[17VLD]

This^^^
There are plenty of guys who have built predator rigs with 7 twist barrels, to shoot these 62vt's only to find they can't get them to shoot and now cannot run the lighter weight varmint bullets without backing velo's way down so they don't spin them apart. The on skin performance looks amazing with the 62's, IF you can get them to shoot.

I am very curious to find out if their is any length difference between the 62 and 69 grain ELD-VTS. If the 69s are the same oal as the 62s and Hornady just added more lead then the balance point will have changed and even thought the bullet shape is the same and closer to a conventional 69 the heavier/slower 69s may work in those guys 7s via less rpm while still being stable. Mike I was thinking maybe Sierras 69 TMK may be also one to try on distant rockchucks with the horsepower you have in that 22 Creedmoor.You might have to dial a little more, but that 9 should allow a little better speed and barrel life.
Matt

 

[17VLD]

Mike, keep us updated on your 69 Eld VT results. I ve got lots of 62 s for my 8 twist 22-250 AI but picked up a box of 69 Eld VT myself just to see velocity difference and how that compares to expected velocity loss. ( thinking 100-125 fps slower with 69; we ll see)

The 62 VT comes out of 27” 22-250 AI very easily at 3550 fps and sub moa.

Would you please measure the oal of the 62 and 69 and let us know what that is. I would very much appreciate that as I'm sure others would too. I know the b.c. is .390 versus .424 but that could simple come from the weight difference. I'm very curious what Hornady did here. Thank you
Matt

 

[jelenko]

Would you please measure the oal of the 62 and 69 and let us know what that is. I would very much appreciate that as I'm sure others would too. I know the b.c. is .390 versus .424 but that could simple come from the weight difference. I'm very curious what Hornady did here. Thank you
Matt

Look it up yourself.

From google:
The
Hornady 69 gr ELD-VT bullet is approximately 0.035 inches longer than the 62 gr version.

Here are the approximate lengths:

• 62 gr ELD-VT: 1.055 inches
• 69 gr ELD-VT: 1.090 inche

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

I just ran stability in Hornady’s 4DOF with a 9 twist on my rifle that shoots it at 3450fps and its gyroscopic stability is 1.2 which is marginal. Went back to my rifles 8 twist and it’s 1.52. That’s stable.
I’m not telling you that you can’t shoot it at 1.2 but it’s technically not stable. At short range it’s marginal.

YEP,. The OP should Test these Bullets at 200 yds Minimum and,.. 300 Yards IS,.. even Better !
100 yds tells us .pretty much,.. "Nothing" about, REAL,.. "Stability" !
There are better Bullets for, a 9 Twist Barrel and,.. Long Ranges.

 

[Mike in Oregon]

Would you please measure the oal of the 62 and 69 and let us know what that is. I would very much appreciate that as I'm sure others would too. I know the b.c. is .390 versus .424 but that could simple come from the weight difference. I'm very curious what Hornady did here. Thank you
Matt

I have no bullets on hand yet. Perhaps going direct to Hornady would be best.

 

[Mike in Oregon]

YEP,. The OP should Test these Bullets at 200 yds Minimum and,.. 300 Yards IS,.. even Better !
100 yds tells us .pretty much,.. "Nothing" about, REAL,.. "Stability" !
There are better Bullets for, a 9 Twist Barrel and,.. Long Ranges.

That's the plan.

 

[17VLD]

I have no bullets on hand yet. Perhaps going direct to Hornady would be best.

Mike I was asking Frank because it looks like he had both. I did check Hornadys site with no luck but apparently Google knows all

 

[Frankm]

My bullets are:

62 1.047”
69 1.088”

In my 22-250 AI they both touch lands at 2.590” oal. Ogive to tip basically identical which is what Hornady told me when I talked with a tech.

Haven’t shot any yet.

Let’s all keep ourselves in the loop!

 

[Mike in Oregon]

Sounds like these new ELD-VTs are creating a litter stir with all. No one knows if they'll shoot, until you actually try for yourself.

I will be extremely disappointed if they do not shoot. As mentioned, I listened to both gunsmith and barrel manufacturer. Both knew I wanted a long range 22 centerfire. This is why we choose the Creedmoor.

With that said, it sounds like I will have the same dilemma with my 6CM we built for long-range as well. A 10 twist was the recommended to shoot the 80-grain ELD-VT.

I hope I don't end up having to shoot flat base. That defeats the whole concept behind the Creedmoor's!

Load development will start and will tell all!

 

[Frankm]

Mike, the 62 s I shot in 8 twt 22-250 AI in a very limited test, 15 rounds (5 3 shot groups) seated 0.010 off with 2 different powders were all under MOA; 5/8 -7/8 “ and between 3450-3600 fps. Have not sent any of the 69 s downrange.

High hopes and looking forward to others results. Figure the 69 s will most likely run 100-150 fps slower than 62 s …. We shall see.

 

[Mike in Oregon]

Mike, the 62 s I shot in 8 twt 22-250 AI in a very limited test, 15 rounds (5 3 shot groups) seated 0.010 off with 2 different powders were all under MOA; 5/8 -7/8 “ and between 3450-3600 fps. Have not sent any of the 69 s downrange.

High hopes and looking forward to others results. Figure the 69 s will most likely run 100-150 fps slower than 62 s …. We shall see.

I appreciate your input sir.

I was hoping at least 3600 fps, if not 3700 with a 26-inch stick. Accuracy is more important though over speed! No disrespect, but if I can't get under half MOA minimum, that will chap my a$$!