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is that you stork
I'm glad they explained the grouping technique, I know this is only 900yds
But I was starting to get depressed
First three shot were OK but 4&5 really opened it out
snert
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On a different topic, I am wondering about that rebated rim on the 22 Nosler. If I get a whole bunch of that brass, will the rebate from Hornady help me pay for wildcatting it or will it void the rebate? Maybe someone who understands economics (Jammer??) nah...nevermind...
Maybe we should just talk about necking that thing down and using it in an AR with a gain twist barrel. My concern is bolt speed. How would one compensate for that? Or maybe we should stick with perfecting the barrel twisted process?
Maybe we should just talk about necking that thing down and using it in an AR with a gain twist barrel. My concern is bolt speed. How would one compensate for that? Or maybe we should stick with perfecting the barrel twisted process?
Hey now guys I'd feel negligent if I didn't warn you about posting that proprietary stuff on the world wide web. I'll bet them pesky Russians are hacking in and swiping it. Let's face it if they done got Trump elected you know they are all over this stuff. Hell I'll bet they can hit a Frenchie from Moscow with this technology!
snert
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Why would they shoot at a Frenchie...just point at em and it is over.
But they already know that. I am concerned about Josh though. Have not heard from him in a bit and after he hacked the CIA, my fear is they got to him and he is a mole.
I am not too concerned about the Russians stealing our tech on this. They drink vodka. Everyone knows corn is better than potatoes except them.
Now, back to our regular programming. Mr M, do you think there is a market with the Amish on this tech?
What do you mean perfecting,didn't you see my 900yrd group
I see I didn't mention that was out of my newly twisted barrel . Not bad for the first five shot ,
22 nosler necked to 20 I think that would make a very nice round !
Not so sure the horses would care for twisted shoes.
What have we done !
Disclaimer "it was all snert's idea !"
That Mr majestic seems to be pretty involved to
Just saying
snert
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What have we done !
Disclaimer "it was all snert's idea !"
That Mr majestic seems to be pretty involved to
Just saying
just when you think you have friends...
snert
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I did see that group. I just did not fully comprehend the amplitude of it. I guess i thought it was 9 yards, where I do most of my groups for internet posting. My mistake. Maybe we have reached the pineapple of twisted barrel technology development. Should we now look to advancing the fine art of concentricity? I have some ideas on that....What do you mean perfecting,didn't you see my 900yrd group
I see I didn't mention that was out of my newly twisted barrel . Not bad for the first five shot ,
22 nosler necked to 20 I think that would make a very nice round !
I don't think that with the integrity of the people on this post, that they knowingly mislead or falsify or embellish upon results or techniques, after all you only have to look at the subject matter to see the dedication of those involved !!
So what's your thoughts on concentricity ??
snert
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Shoebox
So glad you asked. I have some thoughts on concentricity. Now with our Twisted Barrel tech coming into its own, the next big huddle to overcome in the pursuit of accuracy is the concentricity of the handloaded metallic cartridge. We all know that concentricity has nothing to do with the brass itself. after all, it is manufactured with such care and such close tolerances that can easily be measured with a concentricity gauge and a hacksaw, or a mic and a loop. It is well known that firing a case in a chamber (especially one that has been twisted) will result in a perfectly formed case, due to that fraction of a moment when it turns to an elastic molten polymer and then snaps back to a solid. Then we take that perfect brass and run it cold thru a die. And lo and behold it shows up a lack of concentricity. Now we can fiddle with the brass, cutting the dreaded carbon donut out, or pressing the thing to the outside and burnishing the neck with a case neck turner, but that does not change the die. and it is the die that is the problem. Simply look at all the threads about neck sizing, full length sizing, bushing sizing, headspace and what all. What does it all have in common? It is plain as the ear on your head that it is the dies.
As I mentioned in an earlier answer, I have developed a honing method for my bushing dies. It involves a chicken bone (properly seasoned) and JB paste. Two commonly available components in any shooters bag. It is the PROCESS that together with the proper tools that created concentric brass, the pancreas of all accuracy endeavors.
So glad you asked. I have some thoughts on concentricity. Now with our Twisted Barrel tech coming into its own, the next big huddle to overcome in the pursuit of accuracy is the concentricity of the handloaded metallic cartridge. We all know that concentricity has nothing to do with the brass itself. after all, it is manufactured with such care and such close tolerances that can easily be measured with a concentricity gauge and a hacksaw, or a mic and a loop. It is well known that firing a case in a chamber (especially one that has been twisted) will result in a perfectly formed case, due to that fraction of a moment when it turns to an elastic molten polymer and then snaps back to a solid. Then we take that perfect brass and run it cold thru a die. And lo and behold it shows up a lack of concentricity. Now we can fiddle with the brass, cutting the dreaded carbon donut out, or pressing the thing to the outside and burnishing the neck with a case neck turner, but that does not change the die. and it is the die that is the problem. Simply look at all the threads about neck sizing, full length sizing, bushing sizing, headspace and what all. What does it all have in common? It is plain as the ear on your head that it is the dies.
As I mentioned in an earlier answer, I have developed a honing method for my bushing dies. It involves a chicken bone (properly seasoned) and JB paste. Two commonly available components in any shooters bag. It is the PROCESS that together with the proper tools that created concentric brass, the pancreas of all accuracy endeavors.
Man this is good stuff, I will add it to my techniques manual, so just a question or two, I'm so excited I don't no what to ask first, OK important stuff first !!
What breed of chicken - age of bird - left or right leg, I notice you said properly season , I don't want to infringe
But could you tell me seasoning type/types, weight's and application procedure, also straight drive or rotational reaming, be assured this info will be for my eyes only!
This will tighten that 900 yrd group !!!
I'm not sure if a man with your highly technical approach, would consider a layman method, but here goes, as you stated the die is the weak point, so i rarely use them, most people fire form brass, they are missing the point
"fire form the chamber"
Yes I know it's so obvious !! Quick run through of process
First measure OD of chamber ,
Acquirer a bullet one caliber larger than bore heavier the better ie 257 - 264 this allows required gas seal !
Prime with hottest mag primer you can get! Fill case with blue dot or similar fast powder
In my case 93 grn then compress hammer and 1/4" drill for my particular applications be careful not to damage neck, compress - fill - compress- fill I get 115.6 grain in with slight case bulge
Recompress when seating bullet
Load bullet in chamber if all is going well you will need rubber mallet will only take 6-10 good stiff strikes to close, hey ready to go !!
Go out the back and squeeze of a shot
Believe me this will straighten out everything, (oh ear protection safety first )
Now unload may need mallet again?
Check for primer, if any sign of primer is found start process a gain !!!
Measure OD of chamber 2-3 mm expansion is standard, 3 -4.5 mm is much desired
If you are really pedantic you could recontour chamber but the barrel may take a bit of getting out
So now you have a chamber that is dead straight no need for dies, fireform and a light crimp
Concentricity what so hard about that !!
Your results may vary ?
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