Good for a laugh

[snert]

Man this is good stuff, I will add it to my techniques manual, so just a question or two, I'm so excited I don't no what to ask first, OK important stuff first !!
What breed of chicken - age of bird - left or right leg, I notice you said properly season , I don't want to infringe
But could you tell me seasoning type/types, weight's and application procedure, also straight drive or rotational reaming, be assured this info will be for my eyes only!
This will tighten that 900 yrd group !!!

I'm not sure if a man with your highly technical approach, would consider a layman method, but here goes, as you stated the die is the weak point, so i rarely use them, most people fire form brass, they are missing the point
"fire form the chamber"
Yes I know it's so obvious !! Quick run through of process
First measure OD of chamber ,
Acquirer a bullet one caliber larger than bore heavier the better ie 257 - 264 this allows required gas seal !
Prime with hottest mag primer you can get! Fill case with blue dot or similar fast powder
In my case 93 grn then compress hammer and 1/4" drill for my particular applications be careful not to damage neck, compress - fill - compress- fill I get 115.6 grain in with slight case bulge
Recompress when seating bullet
Load bullet in chamber if all is going well you will need rubber mallet will only take 6-10 good stiff strikes to close, hey ready to go !!
Go out the back and squeeze of a shot
Believe me this will straighten out everything, (oh ear protection safety first )
Now unload may need mallet again?
Check for primer, if any sign of primer is found start process a gain !!!
Measure OD of chamber 2-3 mm expansion is standard, 3 -4.5 mm is much desired
If you are really pedantic you could recontour chamber but the barrel may take a bit of getting out

So now you have a chamber that is dead straight no need for dies, fireform and a light crimp

Concentricity what so hard about that !!
Your results may vary ?

Well shoebox, i have to admit I never considered the chamber as the problem...cause I shoot a Savage. Be that as it may, i guess you are correct in your approach, especially on Remingtons and Tikka. I might mention that here in the Northeast such an approach might be a little loud for the neighbors next door, but then they have witnessed my acetylene oxygen pigeon chasing balloons, so it might not surprise them.

Given my locale, i have to stick with the chicken bone hone. It tends to go over with the neighbors and I even invite them now and then to bring their own and help me find the perfect hone.

First you need the right chicken bone. I generally find my best specimins in my second dozen plate of wings (side beverage included). I use the short part of the chicken wing bone that looks like a little drumstick for the larger calibers, and the bow shaped bone from the flat part of the wing for the sub calibers. Any chicken that is dead will do, cause it is the mythical wing bone that matters most. Now here is the key...aging. Yep, that is right. It doesn't matter how old the chicken...it is how old the bone...from the point it has been DEEP fried. (Baked, microwaved or grilled softens the bones in an irregular fashion). About twenty minutes after deep frying, and soaking in ANCHOR BAR (Or Sweet baby Rays) Original Buffalo Wing sauce seasoning, you have to carefully remove all the meat and get all the soft parts off. Then you take that bone and carefully smooth it with your teeth. Ya, I know, primitive, but it is an art. Work at this...really.
After getting all the soft off, put it on a paper plate, lean back in your chair and sleep it off while that bone hardens overnight. If outside beware of racoons.
next morning, grab the bones, your JB paste and just slather JB on the bone. Hone the inside of that bushing, cutting back the sharp edges and if it is a Redding, make sure you get all the slant out of it, using a rotational straight push and pull. You will get the knack of it. Soon your bushing will be perfect and then it will work perfectly with your perfect brass. You can, if you choose, get a concentrating gauge, but i have found that most of them require more antacid than the wing process.

keep in mind that these techniques are for advanced handloaders and adults only. Children should not participate in the creation or selection of the proper chicken bone hone. But if you have a really bad bushing, you might find that having the kid practice on it with a pre-selected and prepared bone will keep him busy and will start him early on the pursuit of the pineapple of precision handloading.

BTW, you might want to modify one of those hydraulic case forming systems to compress your powder. Thinking about your technique, I see some safety issues. When using a hammer you always risk missing and hitting your thumb.

here's to innovation and the internet!

Snert

 

[Shoebox]

Well shoebox, i have to admit I never considered the chamber as the problem...cause I shoot a Savage. Be that as it may, i guess you are correct in your approach, especially on Remingtons and Tikka. I might mention that here in the Northeast such an approach might be a little loud for the neighbors next door, but then they have witnessed my acetylene oxygen pigeon chasing balloons, so it might not surprise them.

Given my locale, i have to stick with the chicken bone hone. It tends to go over with the neighbors and I even invite them now and then to bring their own and help me find the perfect hone.

First you need the right chicken bone. I generally find my best specimins in my second dozen plate of wings (side beverage included). I use the short part of the chicken wing bone that looks like a little drumstick for the larger calibers, and the bow shaped bone from the flat part of the wing for the sub calibers. Any chicken that is dead will do, cause it is the mythical wing bone that matters most. Now here is the key...aging. Yep, that is right. It doesn't matter how old the chicken...it is how old the bone...from the point it has been DEEP fried. (Baked, microwaved or grilled softens the bones in an irregular fashion). About twenty minutes after deep frying, and soaking in ANCHOR BAR (Or Sweet baby Rays) Original Buffalo Wing sauce seasoning, you have to carefully remove all the meat and get all the soft parts off. Then you take that bone and carefully smooth it with your teeth. Ya, I know, primitive, but it is an art. Work at this...really.
After getting all the soft off, put it on a paper plate, lean back in your chair and sleep it off while that bone hardens overnight. If outside beware of racoons.
next morning, grab the bones, your JB paste and just slather JB on the bone. Hone the inside of that bushing, cutting back the sharp edges and if it is a Redding, make sure you get all the slant out of it, using a rotational straight push and pull. You will get the knack of it. Soon your bushing will be perfect and then it will work perfectly with your perfect brass. You can, if you choose, get a concentrating gauge, but i have found that most of them require more antacid than the wing process.

keep in mind that these techniques are for advanced handloaders and adults only. Children should not participate in the creation or selection of the proper chicken bone hone. But if you have a really bad bushing, you might find that having the kid practice on it with a pre-selected and prepared bone will keep him busy and will start him early on the pursuit of the pineapple of precision handloading.

BTW, you might want to modify one of those hydraulic case forming systems to compress your powder. Thinking about your technique, I see some safety issues. When using a hammer you always risk missing and hitting your thumb.

here's to innovation and the internet!

Snert

I have discovered a problem ! I can't get baby rays
And you are right I have hit my thumb with this technique!
But once you squeeze of that forming shot it mysteriously becomes last thing on your mind !!

 

[snert]

I have discovered a problem ! I can't get baby rays
And you are right I have hit my thumb with this technique!
But once you squeeze of that forming shot it mysteriously becomes last thing on your mind !!

If you keep it to yourself, I can get ya some of the seasoning. You just have to share the beer when we twist Mr. M's barrel and cool it. I prefer Corona when it is hot outside, or Coors if we are planning on sorting wings for hones....

 

[Shoebox]

I have discovered a problem ! I can't get baby rays
And you are right I have hit my thumb with this technique!
But once you squeeze of that forming shot it mysteriously becomes last thing on your mind !!

If you keep it to yourself, I can get ya some of the seasoning. You just have to share the beer when we twist Mr. M's barrel and cool it. I prefer Corona when it is hot outside, or Coors if we are planning on sorting wings for hones....

That sounds great ! I would love to help twist up Mr M's barrel, it would be so rewarding to see the appreciation on his face in the morning !!
Find out barrel profile and caliber and I'll work out some twist profile, unless you have one in mine ?
Keep it on the quiet !

Man this is going to be great !!!!

 

[timeout]

To quote my late father, "you guys are full of S#*! as a Christmas goose".

 

[Shoebox]

To quote my late father, "you guys are full of S#*! as a Christmas goose".

Smart man your father !!!!

 

[MrMajestic]

Can one save time if one was to chuck the chicken bone up in a drill? I'm thinking concentricirty is my problem, my mind always is always wandering.

 

[KMart]

Requesting permission to hijack the thread.
Snert and Shoebox, from following your ramblings, were either of you classically trained in the classroom of Professor Irwin Corey.....Such a brilliant man.

 

[JLT]

This is spectacular . . . .

 

[Shoebox]

Requesting permission to hijack the thread.
Snert and Shoebox, from following your ramblings, were either of you classically trained in the classroom of Professor Irwin Corey.....Such a brilliant man.

Please direct all complements to snert
It was all his idea !! He made me do it !!
Disclaimer is official as of this post !

 

[Shoebox]

Can one save time if one was to chuck the chicken bone up in a drill? I'm thinking concentricirty is my problem, my mind always is always wandering.

If you reread snert post, you realize he steers away from the mechanical and prefers child labour
Easy to miss, I mean basically he sounds like a nice guy ?

 

[Shoebox]

K mart
Dear sir
To declare one's theory or process as rambling, with out due experimentation or exploration is to do yourself a disservice !
Allow yourself to have clear and first hand understanding
I recommend you try one of our procedures , fire forming chamber is usually a impressive demo !
Follow my procedure to the letter ,
After that I'm pretty sure you want be back here proclaiming ramblings
PS ear protect safety first

 

[joshb]

If you reread snert post, you realize he steers away from the mechanical and prefers child labour
Easy to miss, I mean basically he sounds like a nice guy ?

Oh! He's a VERY nice guy and a great Hunter and shooter! You just need to know some inside facts. He lives in New York in the "back country". Sometime in September or early October, his house gets buried in snow. 20-30 ft. deep. Unless he tunnels out, he's stuck until early June. Cabin fever sets in. It gets a little "interesting" to watch the "change". I've heard that a Harvard psychiatrist is writing his PH.D. dissertation papers , with him as the subject. It will be in all the medical journals, come Summer, when he'll be lucid again.





(I'm just kidding, Snert)

 

[MrMajestic]

It's not the snow! Being involved with law inforcement he spent most of his time in the evidence locker. Don't make him a bad person though.

 

[stork]

Shoebox
Now we can fiddle with the brass, cutting the dreaded carbon donut out, or pressing the thing to the outside and burnishing the neck with a case neck turner, but that does not change the die. and it is the die that is the problem.

OK now Snert,
Don't be silly. Everyone knows the best way to get rid of Donuts (Carbon or deep fried) or Chocolate chip cookies is to dunk them in a cup of good hot black coffee right before eating them.
;-)
Stork

 

[Shoebox]

I have no dought snert is deserving of being studied, its usually of those who can turn adversities to triumph!
Imagine snow bound, cut of from the out side world, did he falter, NO! He spent hour upon hour preparing / testing with dedication and persistence
To perfect the honing chicken bone, to which we all owe our gratitude !!
This is probably only the tip of the ice berg, one can only image what other precision tools and methods he has in his tool bag ?
The man has a rep of being hunter, shooter, loader, smith, inventer, and law enforcement, one could do worse than calling him friend !

PS to all who read my edits at no time do I intent to offend or degrade !!
Sometimes my writing does not translate well ?

 

[joshb]

It's not the snow! Being involved with law inforcement he spent most of his time in the evidence locker. Don't make him a bad person though.

Oh, He's a great guy with a fine reputation! Living in New York "does something" to a person. Remember what he does to groundhogs? To LOTS of groundhogs?

 

[Shoebox]

Oh, He's a great guy with a fine reputation! Living in New York "does something" to a person. Remember what he does to groundhogs? To LOTS of groundhogs?

Not real clear on what your implying ???

 

[snert]

Can one save time if one was to chuck the chicken bone up in a drill? I'm thinking concentricirty is my problem, my mind always is always wandering.

I find that American made drills have a more concentted drill chuck than the Chinese ones, so beware.

 

[snert]

Requesting permission to hijack the thread.
Snert and Shoebox, from following your ramblings, were either of you classically trained in the classroom of Professor Irwin Corey.....Such a brilliant man.

And who the heck is he?