Why is AR Comp the Red Headed Step Child?

[urbanrifleman]

They should rename it. It gets no respect because people thinks it a 223 ball powder. If it surpasses all powders like that they should call it Tempmaster or something like that.

Alliant has done a poor job marketing its temp resistant powders. No offense, I love Alliant powders. The new Enduron powders are only very so so for temperature resistance from the tests I've seen and since it says EXTREME on the bottle they sell a lot of powder.

 

[jsthntn247]

Truth be told, I had developed AR-Comp(TM) with Bofors for the US Army, for use in the M118LR back in 2009. We had been getting some static about Reloder(R) 15 temp response, but the Army personnel we were briefing were not particularly interested in changing from Reloder 15, so we introduced it to the canister market.
Below is some temp response data in a hot 5.56 load. In this test, with this lot of IMR 8208XBR it went up a little at hot. This Hodgdon powder is generally pretty temp stable in my experience though. As others have said, AR-Comp is pretty darn temp stable in all the loads I have tested it in. We use a boatload of it here at Federal, and we changed it to our primary propellant in both the 168gr and 175gr Gold Medal Match 308 Win loads.
Please give it a try. I believe you will like it.
Shoot well,
Paul

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Sure wished yall would make something between the burn rate of AR Comp and Rl 16

 

[Alliant Reloading]

Sure wished yall would make something between the burn rate of AR Comp and Rl 16

Maybe like a Reloder 15.5 TZ?
That might be a good idea.

 

[Alliant Reloading]

They should rename it. It gets no respect because people thinks it a 223 ball powder. If it surpasses all powders like that they should call it Tempmaster or something like that.

Alliant has done a poor job marketing its temp resistant powders. No offense, I love Alliant powders. The new Enduron powders are only very so so for temperature resistance from the tests I've seen and since it says EXTREME on the bottle they sell a lot of powder.

Maybe we should rename it Reloder 14?

 

[urbanrifleman]

Maybe we should rename it Reloder 14?

I think Alliant would od much better if the Temp series was a totally different series. Alliant is all over the place. It is confusing.

 

[ShootDots]

Maybe we should rename it Reloder 14?

How about RL-12? There used to be a "12" and it was about the same burn rate as AR Comp. RL-12 was a great powder! Making RL-12 temp stable would have been a very wise decision!

 

[GSS]

I'm Thankful for AR Comp and I won't bitch about any of the other Monday Morning Quarteback, Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda's stuff... LOL

I'm thankful Paul shared the info he did as well.
Guess this is the thanks he gets for doing that and likely won't bother sharing any further great inside info...
:-(

George

 

[urbanrifleman]

I bet this thread will sell lots of AR Comp.

I know I'm getting some this week!! I think I might be down to three powders after it's all said and done. Ar comp, r16, and Alliant Lt 32.

I'm going to make up my own test and test all of our powders. Should be very easy to do

 

[urbanrifleman]

Oh, btw we tested R23 in 243 and it was the best all around 243 powder we tested. Super stable and wide nodes.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Oh, btw we tested R23 in 243 and it was the best all around 243 powder we tested. Super stable and wide nodes.

Im fixing to load some with rl16 for a barrel i just did for a clay match. I usually use h1000

 

[urbanrifleman]

Im fixing to load some with rl16 for a barrel i just did for a clay match. I usually use h1000

R16 is just easy in 243 from 108s to 70s it just works simple. Shoots so clean too. If I shoot any more 243 its r16 or r23 only.

 

[jsthntn247]

Maybe like a Reloder 15.5 TZ?
That might be a good idea.

Yes

 

[dmoran]

Maybe like a Reloder 15.5 TZ?
That might be a good idea.

I'm all for more TZ's ..... no matter what you call them !.!.!

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[urbanrifleman]

Tzloder 15.

 

[JamesnTN]

Sure wished yall would make something between the burn rate of AR Comp and Rl 16

They do, it’s called RL 15

 

[urbanrifleman]

They do, it’s called RL 15

I think he means a TZ version.

 

[Dgd6mm]

What is TZ? Forgive my ignorance.

 

[jsthntn247]

What is TZ? Forgive my ignorance.

Temp stable version. Like Hodgdon's H series.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Temp stable version. Like Hodgdon's H series.

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Gotcha, thanks.

AR Comp, r16, and r23 are ultra temp stable powders and are nothing like the rest of Alliant's other powders