See that all the time tier one gear and can’t group to save their lives. It when the elitism starts that I can’t handle. I agree that the 6.5 creed is a good caliber in fact I don’t really dislike any caliber. I do however don’t agree that 6.5 Creed is the be all end all of accuracy. If there is any older gents reading this thread I have a question. Was there a elitist following of the .308 and a hate on for the 30-06 when it was released? Were there 270win elitists? I love all calibers and all guns. What I do not like is elitist attitude based solely on marketing hype. If I were just starting out today I may have bought a 6.5CM. But I have too much time, money and energy invested in the calibers I own now.
What’s with the hate for 6.5CM in some circles?
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ronsatspokane
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I don't recall any hate but I do recall tall tales from days of yore where Jack O'Connor's marketing of the 270 caused a lot of people to ditch their 30-06's for this hot do all end all sexy cartridge. When you talk about marketing, Jack was the master. About the 270 he said:
“Assuming that a cartridge can make its way on merit alone, that cartridge is the .270 W.C.F. In its early years it sat in the corner, dressed in sackcloth and covered with ashes, while few riflemen suspected that underneath it had a figger like Miss America, a disposition like an angel, and that it could bake pies like Mother used to make.”
Now that's marketing in its finest form. It's true that there is nothing new under the sun.
And why not the good old 8mm Mauser shot from Dad’s old K98? Last time I saw, he could outshoot me with that old clunky thing his Dad dragged back from Europe.
I don’t recall any hate on for 308 because the Army had it and was using it long before the rest of us kids had access to it.
The Army loved it, they could carry more per man than a 303 or 06. Sound familiar?
There was, and still is massive dislike amongst us older bunch with 5.56 over 7.62.(308). I still don’t think the 5.56 is up to the task. One shot one kill, not spray and pray.
To me, I’m all about 308. I absolutely love the chambering.
The Army loved it, they could carry more per man than a 303 or 06. Sound familiar?
There was, and still is massive dislike amongst us older bunch with 5.56 over 7.62.(308). I still don’t think the 5.56 is up to the task. One shot one kill, not spray and pray.
To me, I’m all about 308. I absolutely love the chambering.
I'm old enough to remember the old timers of my childhood days saying the move from 30-06 to 308 was a bad one, made by politicians rather than war fighters and NATO which was made up by countries that didn't know how to fight. Mind you these old timer's days in the military were well behind them and they had no experience with the 308. According to my Dad the 30-06 and the 03 Springfield were the best cartridge and rifle ever and anything else was a poor attempt at coming up with something cheaper that was almost as good.
Except you didn’t carry a FN FAL, you carried a Rifle, FN, C1A1.
Also, they didn’t need to pay you, they just took the C1A1 out of the weapons room, and replaced them with C7 rifles. You really didn’t have much of a choice.
I know why the .308 came about, and I always picked the 30-06 for a hunting rifle. I know why the .270 was so successful vs the 30-06.
I know why the 6 BR and it's variants came out. A .243 has a good chance of eroding the throat enough to go out of tune during a LR BR match and it recoils more, meaning it's less consistent and is slower to shoot. Same thing between the 300 WSM and the 300 Winny for LR BR.
However, I have no idea why the 6.5 Creed developed such a following, other than great marketing......
Adam in WI
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I know the round is in jest, but just for shits and giggles has anyone ever tried running that case through Quickload?
Why don’t you just neck down a can of powder?
joshb
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It uses a really slow powder, not in Quickload. It’s equivalent in burn rate to ground up charcoal briquettes!
That looks a bit like the mythical 22 Earsplitten LoudenBoomer!
Adam in WI
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If I remember right, that's the .378 case necked down...
I think you're right, a 22-378 Weatherby Magnum.
“my Creed”
The Eargesplitten Loudenboomer had belted magnum case parent. This one is clearly a "new and improved" version that has the same, or even lesser performance but is more marketable. I'll bet it's a Hornady creation.
Marketing helps, but marketing won’t sell junk.It has had a meteoric rise to 'success' for sure... the rub is it doesn't really do any one thing better than any number of other cartridges before it - but it was marketed better.
Lots of new shooters read the ads, drank the Koolaid, and got their first taste of 'long range precision' with the Creedmoor. Not a bad thing... but they tend to be a little over-enthusiastic telling literally *everybody* who will sit still long enough about it
Yes, I have several. And I had a .260 Rem before that, and a 6.5-08 before that, and a 6-6.5x47L along the way. All good cartridges... Hornady just out-marketed them.
The 6.5 creedmoor is the first SA cartridge I’m aware of that will do all this:
- feed from 2.8” oal
- with 2300+ lb feet at the muzzle
- with a bullet over 0.287 sectional density
- with a modern 1.5 deg leade
- in SAAMI form
This is what underpins the success. It’s better than the .260 in SAAMI form because of the superior reamer design and standard faster twist (8 vs 9 for .260). 6.5mm has been a known “sweet spot” for over a century.
Then again if Remington had given the 7-08 a fast twist and good reamer, it might have killed off the .308 decades ago.
The 6.5 gives you so much of the virtues of a .243 in terms of light recoil, but adds significant capability in the field (elk capable where the .243 is deer capable). Excellent factory match ammo that is reasonably priced is also available.
I’m a fan of 6.5 not because it has so many strengths, it’s because it has no weaknesses. World class brass? Check. High bc for targets and sectional density for hunting? Check. Reasonable barrel life? Check. Moderate recoil? Check. Abundant ammo? Check. Mag feeds and works in a gas gun? Check and check.
You select the 6.5 for target work, hunting, and for tactical use in a military application, and in all three instances you’d be giving up very little to the alternatives. How many cartridges can have that said about them?
If someone is holding sub moa at 1800 with a load going subsonic 400+yards before that, they either had very favorable conditions, a blind spotter, or no compunction about lying.
Cecil S.
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