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What’s with the hate for 6.5CM in some circles?

Can I get one in a long action so I can use the solid copper 378 grain VLDs I know will be available for it now that you’ve spilled the beans. They will have to add 1000 more yards onto the 1000 yard range I belong to now.
It'll take special 5 twist barrels. For competition you'll have a 378 A-TIP and then for regular shooting there's going to be a 370 ELD, although rumor has it that they will blow up if you drive them full speed or shoot a string longer than 3 in a row. :p
 
The bashing is a bit over the top, but ya gotta admit the cartridge is super popular. If the hype keeps guys shooting I'm ok with the rifleman that can use it's special one hole powers @ 500yds all day long. I owned one in a factory rifle, and found it quite accurate. I had success at the only matches I took it too, and used the same load to kill the deer it was pointed at handily. If that ain't AP I don't know what is. I'd buy another, but if I had a complaint... it'd be velocity. It just ain't got enough ass to push 140 fast enough imo.
 
The bashing is a bit over the top, but ya gotta admit the cartridge is super popular. If the hype keeps guys shooting I'm ok with the rifleman that can use it's special one hole powers @ 500yds all day long. I owned one in a factory rifle, and found it quite accurate. I had success at the only matches I took it too, and used the same load to kill the deer it was pointed at handily. If that ain't AP I don't know what is. I'd buy another, but if I had a complaint... it'd be velocity. It just ain't got enough ass to push 140 fast enough imo.
I always found it odd that some people get hung up on a certain speed threshold. I've never noticed that an extra 100fps ever made a difference...by any metric that practically mattered.

For those with magnumitis, only 3,000fps seems to do. I don't know what is so special about 3,000fps either, but it is a thing.
 
if I took the 7mm-08 changed the neck length by .23 changed the shoulder angle by .19 changed the overall length by .3 then called it the 7mm-08 Camp Perry I would be laughed off this site
 
Funny thing about velocity and bullet weight. The heavier the bullet and the faster you push it the more it costs in other ways. True the Creedmoor does not push the 140gr. bullets as fast as might be preferred for very long range but you can get that with the 6.5-284, 6.5 Winchester Magnum and others but you sacrifice barrel life and recoil to get it. Ever wonder why the rules for long range benchrest allow heavy guns? That's the case with every chambering you can imagine from .223 to .338 and beyond. It's hard to understand the constant carping about it. The rules of physics apply to all bullets and loads.
It's just a tool and not the only one out there. People do have preferences and that's what it's all about. For the time being we are free to use anything we want.
 
Just for grins, let's suppose the military adopted the 'Black Rifle' in a choice of 6.5CM or 47..........and your ammo is free..............

Which do you choose?
 
For it's design intent of fitting long heavy match bullets within the confines of an AR10 magazine length without encroaching into the powder space as much as the 260 Rem, it does a good job.

In a bolt rifle there are at least 3 other cartridges that have the same, or better velocities. And 2 of those have been with us for about 100 years.

Boils down to marketing hype as far as bolt guns are concerned.
 
Lol, IMO the Creedmoor guys are like the CrossFit crowd of rifle shooting. not all but a healthy majority are just dying to tell you, how great everything creedmoor is. How out of touch you are for shooting a .308.

My I help out at my wife’s families store/range. I have seen so many “posers” (to quote a prior post) ask for a 6.5CM. It almost always has to be a chassis rifle and if not it’s going in one. Not saying they aren’t dedicated some are but lots just bought in to advertising and the echochamber of the internet. There research is others opinions and advertising.


I remember when the 6mm CM came out. I was working in the store. One member/customer (visualize man bun and douche flute very downtown Toronto) of ours came in a great deal of excitement asking do you guys have the 6mmCM in a RPR. I thought he was joking???Out comes my phone and the google.

There it was the 6mmCM. My response was “ that’s f****ng ridiculous why not just buy a 243win”. His reply was because it’s so much more accurate than a 243win more precise. I rolled my eyes so hard they nearly fell out of my head. Now there’s a 22CM (22-250?)and a 25CM (257Roberts or 250Savage?)next will be the 7mm CM it’s more precise than the 7mm-08. It ahhhh reaches out further lol.

I just visualize this place called creedmoor labs, where they constantly reinvent a more “precise” wheel.

So the said Queen st west hipster challenges me the southern Alberta bumpkin to a ten round tightest group at 100yd time limit his 6.5 RPR vs my 700 police in .308. He’s gonna show me the ultimate precision of the almighty creedmoor all hail all hail. On my 7th shot and his 6th his target comes off the board because.... well I shot his staples out. You been served some country bumpkin made humble pie. LMFAO the look on his face.

The Aesop moral here is it’s not the round so much as it is the shooter. As well as time spent on the range actually shooting. Something other than your more precise mouth.

I’m sure there’s guys on here that could do it in 4 shots. But two of those shots were sighters....maybe lol
 
I hope I get this posted in time.
The 6.5 Creedmoor, MoPeds, and that rather plain GF you had on the side, all have something in common. They are all fun to have and handle. You just don't want anyone that you know around while you are doing it. :cool:
 
The creemoor is not something that can be hated. It is a soulless creation of metal. However the keyboard commandos that have haven't fired a thousand center fire rifle shoots in their life, and believe that merely buying a creedmoor makes them some sort of decorated marksman and vastly superior to all other shooters who didn't have the sense to buy a creedmoor that earns them some dislike. I get a kick out some of the stuff they come up with, the secret South Carolina load. The idea of using H4831 in an overbore 6.5 cartridge came up before most of the creemoor shooters were born and they think they have come up with something new. It certainly isn't the cartridge that gets the hate, the cartridge is too good to be true. If i didn't already own 2 260 remingtons and a 6.5-284 I would own a creedmoor.
 
That is easy. Over Hyped! Plenty of 6.5mm cartridges before it that are just as good or better! Oh I almost forget proprietary cartridge which sucks over all! Shortest response to a thread ever for me.

P.S. See 6.5x57, 6.5x55, .260 Rem for starters. Look at the dates they were introduced and compare that to 6.5 CM. Now look at the lack of gun rags pushing tose over the last 100 years compared to the HOrnady CM and other Hornady Cartridges the last 15 years!

Well, the new one they’re hyping now, 300PRC seems like a good idea to me, at least with my limited knowledge. I’ll never need something that far out, but need and want are two different things.

If we’re creative at our private range, we can’t quite make 900 yds, and I don’t have enough time, drive, or ambition to beg onto anything longer more than once or twice.
You folks out west have it so good. Jealous.
 
Well, the new one they’re hyping now, 300PRC seems like a good idea to me, at least with my limited knowledge. I’ll never need something that far out, but need and want are two different things.

If we’re creative at our private range, we can’t quite make 900 yds, and I don’t have enough time, drive, or ambition to beg onto anything longer more than once or twice.
You folks out west have it so good. Jealous.
Nooo..... Now they’ll be snatching up all the .30cal components.
 
Canuck, I feel your pain. Southern Sask dirt farmer raised, Daddy started me shooting before my 4 cornered pants came off and I moved down here as soon as I got done with up there.
Downtown TO hipsters are as bad as the Frisco Freaks here. I see nose ring and stretched earlobes, I turn and walk away.

Personally, 6.5CM got me realizing that there’s life beyond man size targets at 600 yds.
My best friend built a 700 in 308 on an AI chassis, tricked it out with big glass, bipod, etc, and I played with it.
I was hooked.
Then started looking at ballistic charts, figured if I can drill a guy at 600 with an as issued C1A1, then I surely can do better with better equipment.

Built my own 700 the same way, but used the 6.5 Chrëdemohr :D and liked it.
So here we are
 
Well I have a story that goes the opposite way.

I know a guy that had a Remington 700 Police 308. He was telling all me about the HS Precision stock, the two thousand dollar scope, Badger this and that...he easily had thirty five hundred bucks in this thing.

I have an off-the-shelf Savage that I paid 450 bucks for on sale, with a used SWFA SS scope. 6.5 you-know-what.

With carefully developed hand loads mine shoots an honest to goodness .3 MOA and I won't even make the obligatory statement about that, if you know what I mean. Took a while to get there but, yeah. It's there.

We shoot out to 500 yards, he and I. I hit golf balls at 500, he couldn't consistently hit a full size torso target. On paper at 200 yards his rifle shot about 3 or 4 MOA. No kidding.

I told him, let's see if we can work up an accurate load. He said no way was he going to start screwing around with “reloads.” His reasoning was, he didn't want a rifle that requires special ammo to shoot well, he wanted to be able to shoot any factory ammo well. It didn't help when I told him may Savage shot all the factory ammo I tried in it at least 1.25 MOA, some better. All day lon...oh wait never mind...

Now I'm sure with some work on the rifle itself and some load development, improvements could have been made. But he's a guy who wants to buy a rifle, buy ammo and then outshoot everybody else because he spent the bucks. He is quick to poke fun at the trendiness surrounding the 6.5 Creedmoor while at the same time, he has to have nothing but the latest, greatest big name brand gear.

I guess, I find personal accomplishment in working to develop good performance with a modest investment. He finds personal satisfaction in owning the best, or what is perceived to be the best. To each his own!

Truth be told, he can actually shoot quite well with the right gun in his hands. He sold this one and at a loss I'm sure. I hope it wasn't too bad.

So having said all that. I think I may add a 308 barrel for my Savage next year, for several reasons, among them I'd like to shoot some FT-R with it, and also I think out to maybe 600 yards the 308 is a somewhat better round for real-world stuff.
 
There ain’t nothing wrong with a 308. In my C1A1, it does what it’s supposed to do and does it well, all the time, rain or shine, no BS, nothing. Just do your part and it’ll deliver. Shoot it off the sling like an average Canuck trooper and you’ll shoot like an early 80s Canuck trooper. (Not necessarily a bad thing).
No, it’s not a sub MOA rifle, not even a 2 MOA rifle, never was intended as such, can’t even outshoot a Garland in stock trim but for man sized silhouettes, it’s all that. It’s too loose with that hinge point between the sights. And I can’t even tell you what MOA it really is, because MOA is some dusty old hocus pocus found in a 20 lb cobweb covered black art language to me because I was born and bred on MilRad. :D

I spent some $$$ on my latest toy. Why? Because I didn’t want to do it twice. Yeah, I shoulda come here first, but I didn’t, so instead, I bought good, no, I bought very good equipment. Especially the glass. The smokepole underneath can be changed out, but the glass is forever.
Gonna be fun. No interest (yet) in going past 800. Maybe 1000, but that’s today. Let me get there first, I just want to outshoot my VERY good shooting friends.
Them we talk whatever Hornyday’s latest miracle concoction is. :)
 
The fundamental questions here being: why would anyone choose a 308 when the venerable 30-06 does everything and more? Why would anyone choose a 6.5x47 or a 6.5 Creedmoor when the legendary 6.5x55 does everything and more? Why would anyone choose a 6 BR, BRA, BRX, GT or Dasher when the tried and true 243 will do everything and more? And why in the hell would anyone choose anything but a 284 when empirical evidence gathered from years of competition clearly demonstrates that it is the finest cartridge ever conceived by the mind of man?

The only thing we can all agree on is that the answers to these question are both profound and deep... Or not.
 

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