What’s with the hate for 6.5CM in some circles?

[XTR]

The 6.5Creed, the 6.5x47 Lapua and the 260 Rem are ballistic triplets. The 260 has been around longer, the two 6.5s came along at about the same time. All are good rounds if they fit in the ballistic envelope you need/want. The advantage that the 6.5s have over the 260 is that they are slightly shorter cases and can seat long bullets at a better seating depth when mag fed, and have a better shoulder angle than the 308 besed 260.

The 6.5 Creed got hyped, and developed a fanboi following.

Therefore, all of the old crusty, curmudgeonous, contrarians hate it. It is as simple as that. It is pushback against an image...regardless of performance.

What's amusing is that it was the flavor of the month for a while in PRS before they all moved to 6mms.

One personal example of the hype surrounding the chambering. I was at a long range F class match in MS and was between relays putting my rifle on the bench behind the line. A bystander walked up and commented on my rifle, and asked what it was. (I shoot F-TR) When I told him it was a 308 he asked "why aren't you shooting a Creedmoor?" as if that was the round for 1000 yards. Why didn't he ask why I wasn't shooting any of a dozen other rounds that might have better ballistics than a 308 at 1000 yards?... hype.

 

[338 dude]

It's kinda like the 6.5-284, and 338 LM a few years ago.
People ranting over it adnausium...

Wow the two exact calibers of the only two long range rifle‘s I have I guess I’ll go cry in a corner for a while I need to be alone.LOL

 

[Bc'z]

I dunno, there's beer involved now

And a beer model

 

[338 dude]

The hate comes from the guys that lost their man card and afraid you'll find out. I love my 308 and will always have one but the bitchin' about the 6.5 creedmoor is just stupid, doesn't make sense at all.

I don’t want or own a creed but I don’t have anything against it it makes a lot of sense especially for people that don’t handload yet a plethora of ammunition is available most anywhere and it is accurate and many companies chamber their rifles for it

 

[1K6BRA]

 

[jsn]

I don't hate much of anything, but some of the people that shoot Creedmors I might consider. I don't care how you spend your money or free time, it's yours, you earned it. But there's a reason for "No Solicitors" signs.

Some of them can recite the advertisements word for word, including concepts like BC, bullet drop, energy at 200 yards, etc., but I'm not sure they really understand them. There was ammo at Sportsmens Warehouse the other day for it, but $62 for 20 rounds is a bit much for me.

A guy sets his stuff on the bench next to me one day at the range and with a big John Astin-like grin says "You're going to hate me." He had muzzle brakes on both a 300WM and 6.5 Creedmor. His rifles weren't too irritating. As he was getting ready to leave he asked me if I thought the 300WM could shoot to 1,500 yards. Then he said........wait for it......wait for it......

"I know the Creedmor will."

 

[joshb]

And a beer modelView attachment 1212589

Finally .......a bit of sunshine!!!
That’s why they made the Creedmoor!! So the girls could out shoot the guys!!!

 

[AccelR8]

What's wrong with a cartridge for special people?

 

[ronsatspokane]

I don't hate much of anything, but some of the people that shoot Creedmors I might consider. I don't care how you spend your money or free time, it's yours, you earned it. But there's a reason for "No Solicitors" signs.

Some of them can recite the advertisements word for word, including concepts like BC, bullet drop, energy at 200 yards, etc., but I'm not sure they really understand them. There was ammo at Sportsmens Warehouse the other day for it, but $62 for 20 rounds is a bit much for me.

A guy sets his stuff on the bench next to me one day at the range and with a big John Astin-like grin says "You're going to hate me." He had muzzle brakes on both a 300WM and 6.5 Creedmor. His rifles weren't too irritating. As he was getting ready to leave he asked me if I thought the 300WM could shoot to 1,500 yards. Then he said........wait for it......wait for it......

"I know the Creedmor will."

20 years ago you'd have a guy step up to the line with his pencil barreled 30-06. He'd squeeze off shots with his 8 lb pull trigger building a group of 1.5 inches at 100 yards, pat himself on the back, brag to those around and never know the BC of the bullet or the velocity of his round let alone bullet drop, velocity or energy at various distances, the effects of the wind on his round, effect of spin drift, harmonic impact of his load on accuracy, the burn rate of the powder he was using, issues associated with vertical stringing, reading mirage or any of the issues you hear guys and GIRLS talking about at the range these days. I'm even seeing people testing loads with various powders, primers, bullets and seating depths and talking about neck tension and chamber dimensions. That was very rare 20 years ago.

It's a new world and in part a new round was responsible for some of that enlightenment. A new form of competition is also responsible, PRS that is. The masses are storming the sacred accuracy ivory tower and that frightens some. I think it is a very positive development. Being an F Class shooter I'd love to see the ranks swell in the precision shooting arena regardless of the form of that competition.

 

[riflewoman]

What is the badge by your name?

Distinguished Rifleman. Earned in 1986.

 

[Bc'z]

Finally .......a bit of sunshine!!!
That’s why they made the Creedmoor!! So the girls could out shoot the guys!!!

You bought the beer!!
She shoots a 260
I'm the creedmoor

 

[TheOtherZilla]

Just doin my part to get this thread to 100..

 

[jackieschmidt]

This “debate” reminds me of the visceral hatred many in the shooting world has against that evil 6PPC that dominates 100/200/300 yard group shooting.
The usual answer from those that shoot short range group is.....”well, build what you want and see what it does”.
I guess the big difference is there are many chamberings that will do exactly what a 6.5 CM will do in the realm that it was designed to be used in, that being long range Disciplines while there are only a couple of chamberings that will agg with a 6PPC in the point blank group game.

 

[jelenko]

What kind of beer? Surely we can agree on that

Good luck on that.

 

[Cecil S.]

Talisman Cult member here. I purchased my 6.5cm back in the day so I could learn to neck down brass (LC308 to 6.5cm) and my research found it was a good round so I took the adventure down the rabbit hole and learn the art of reloading. I enjoyed the "Wars" it was lots of laughs and I was amazed at the number of "Haters" but it was a good time. Ahhhhh.........the good ole days..........lol

 

[Texas10]

Come on, only 24 to go.

 

[Bill Norris]

When the C M first came about me and a friend of mine kinda turned a deaf ear towards it entirely. We looked at reloading data when it became available and still held our stance. (we didn't need or want one since we both owned .308 s and other great calibers) BUT GUESS WHAT? As the hype grew out of proportion and then began to level out we began researching alittle more and just recently he owns a 6.5 and I own a 6mm in C M (just had to stay with my first love - 6mm) and happy to have them. I think this is kinda typical of a lot of rifle owners. He went all in and I'm still standing at the edge of the mudhole with toes wet.

 

[Cecil S.]

When the C M first came about me and a friend of mine kinda turned a deaf ear towards it entirely. We looked at reloading data when it became available and still held our stance. (we didn't need or want one since we both owned .308 s and other great calibers) BUT GUESS WHAT? As the hype grew out of proportion and then began to level out we began researching alittle more and just recently he owns a 6.5 and I own a 6mm in C M (just had to stay with my first love) and happy to have them. I think this is kinda typical of a lot of rifle owners. He went all in and I'm still standing at the edge of the mudhole with toes wet.

I am looking at the 6cm for my better half (less recoil) and would like the 308 in the family. A man can never have to many rifles.

 

[hogpatrol]

After I got a Creed , I lost my taste for beer. Now it's only Perrier and Evian for me.

That is when I'm not drinking a tall, non fat, no foam, double whip, six pump, extra hot, chai tea latte.

 

[Murray Brook]

This raises a question: do the big guys, like Hornady or Ruger, etc. have to license cartridges?

Could it be that the almighty 6.5x47 was not licensed to anyone and so no one could make factory rifles or ammo for it? Just musing about why no one chambers or makes ammo for the 6.5x47 Lapua: my gut tells me Lapua has been in the way of it's adoption.

Remington deserves all the trouble it's in for what it did to the 244/6mm, 280/7mm Express, and the 260. Pure stupidity, over and over, decade after decade. Yes I'm salty about it

Don't forget the 8mm Rem mag.