They didn’t see a need but they did semi partner with Ruger as they put out rifles in the caliber in the beginning. There was another company too. It took a few years until about 2012 before it started to take off more though.
What’s with the hate for 6.5CM in some circles?
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You gentleman keep on calling me at Douglas barrels, I've done wore out three Reamers on that 6.5 Creedmoor,it keeps me a job and the customers happy.
P.s. I don't have a Creedmoor I still shoot the old 6.5x47 lapua it does the job.
P.s. I don't have a Creedmoor I still shoot the old 6.5x47 lapua it does the job.
dryhumor
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Remington has been mismanaged for years also, that doesn’t help....
jelenko
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Absolutely. Two rounds of Creedmoor 6.5 into that target was just overkill.
and any target closer than 3 miles is a waste
ronsatspokane
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I hear the military is replacing the M61 Vulcan with a 6.5 Creedmoor version.
NZ_Fclass
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I see that Gavin, the Ultimate Relaoder, has built a .25 Creedmoor. It must therefore be better. I won't be building one. I expect the only 25 cal bullets in NZ are SGK's for the venerable 25/06. We are having enough trouble getting 6.5's right now.
I have also applied to OXFAM for Varget.
I have also applied to OXFAM for Varget.
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mensajd
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Interesting that despite its original design intent,
"The 6.5 Creedmoor was purpose-built for match rifles, including the Tubb 2000 and DPMS/Panther Arms LR Series" http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2007/11/hornady-introduces-new-65-creedmoor-cartridge/,
the 6.5 creedmoor has been largely supplanted by various 6mm cartridges (including but not limited to the 6mm creedmoor) in its intended application.
"The 6.5 Creedmoor was purpose-built for match rifles, including the Tubb 2000 and DPMS/Panther Arms LR Series" http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2007/11/hornady-introduces-new-65-creedmoor-cartridge/,
the 6.5 creedmoor has been largely supplanted by various 6mm cartridges (including but not limited to the 6mm creedmoor) in its intended application.
Not really if you have been around long enough you see the match cartridges come and go for the next best thing. The 6mm are only more popular for less recoil. Ballistically there isn't any real gain and with some of the tiny 6mms you lose ballistics. Plenty of 6.5 Creedmoors still out there shooting though.
I don't shoot in the competitive disciplines that many here do but watching from the sidelines, reading the articles and forums and stuff, it seems to me that a., the 6mm's are winning the most right now and b., the 6.5CM, while being developed as a target cartridge, has been seriously taken up by the hunting crowd.
The 6mm BR variants also consistently shoot the smallest groups at 600 and 1000 yds in average conditions or better. They have for a very long time.
Was speaking more in the PRS/NRL side of the discussion. All about recoil. All the calibers shoot more than accurately enough but they are trying to cut recoil as much as possible and why all the short 6mms hit the matches. Same for 20+ pound rifles, brakes etc.
ronsatspokane
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Define average. I put down my 300 WSM during the last match at Deep Creek because I was not sure if the issue I was having was the gun or my wind reading (turned out to be both). Brought the 6 BRA to the 1000 yard line for the next string and proceeded to hand myself my own arse. Conditions looked pretty average and that gun can and has clean(ed) targets at 600. The 6.5 Creedmoor I've got with give that 6BRA a run for it's money and it will hold the wind better. Didn't have it with me or I would have tried it. I would have tried a long bow if I had it with me during that match. Twas quite fugly.
Needs a creedmoor butt tattoo.
Cutting recoil is always a plus. Also, I wonder if it's time for PRS to decrease target size?
In LR BR, less recoil movement means faster shot strings and thus smaller groups by keeping them all in the same micro condition.
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Don’t forget about altitude. Subsonic could be 1500-1650 yards at 7000-8000 feet.
Average is average. Match Champion for the 2020 NBRSA Nationals in October at Sloughouse shot a 6 BRA. It was windy enough to blow one of his shots almost off paper.
A 300 WSM will hold its own against a 6 BRA in light gun for five shot groups at 1000 yds in average conditions and beat it in poor conditions. So will the 6.5s and 7s, though I think the 30s win out overall in poor conditions--but I am biased.
However, at 600 yds the 300 WSM isn't great vs a 6 BRA, even in LG. And when shooting a 17 lb LG in 300 WSM for NBRSA HG (10 shot groups), it is not good at all. It just moves too much to get all 10 shots in the same micro condition. I tested all that earlier this year. On the other hand, a true heavy 300 WSM is very competitive for 10 shot groups at both 600 and 1000, as
none other than Bill Johnson has demonstrated to us this year.
To that end, right now I can shoot my LG as either a 6 BRA or a 300 WSM. I am also building an HG that will go either 300 WSM or 6 BRA. (30 cal barrel is in my lathe as we speak.) My thought it unless the conditions are bad, the 6 BRA is the go to LG. And unless the conditions are really good, the 300 WSM is the go to for HG.
I just don't see the 6.5 Creed fitting well in LR BR. It has more recoil that a 6 BRA in LG, and it doesn't have the case capacity to shoot the high BC bullets that can be an advantage in HG. That said, Bert Croy always does well with his 6.5x47 at 600 and he did very well at the Nationals at 1000 this year as well........
All that aside, the barrel that winds up with the best tune usually seems to do the best. And low recoil makes up for a LOT of BC......
There are small targets as well but the sport is not about BR buy actually moving and shooting so making tiny targets takes away from that. Getting 10 shots off in 90 seconds and moving from 3 to 5 positions is challenging enough. That said with a Creedmoor it’s plenty doable.
I just know that some PRS guys tune to near BR levels, and it would be nice if that shows up somewhere.
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