Rule Question - FTR

[Steve Blair]

Once upon a time I was involved in an actual pissing contest. See who could piss the highest on the wall in the back of the bar in PI (submariners can be that way). Some of us thought we were doing pretty well till one guy pissed on the ceiling. Then we all went back and drank more beer.

[br]
Submariners are that way. [br]
Former Tin Can sailor.

 

[Shiraz]

You guys are using the wrong picture.

Bryan actually used the latest and best adjustable board. See picture below:

 

[Jay Christopherson]

You guys are using the wrong picture.

Bryan actually used the latest and best adjustable board. See picture below:

Nice - tell me that's a Grizzy/Bullets.com logo on there... I see the new hotness in F-T/R shooting.

 

[Jdne5b]

You guys are using the wrong picture.

Bryan actually used the latest and best adjustable board. See picture below:

 

[280man]

That is awesome

 

[Shiraz]

I love it!

And yes, it's a Bullets.com logo - heee heee heee

 

[skibar_tx]

Who doctored that picture. Shiraz, that was you. Great idea. It can be separate boards and the rules do not specifically say that the separate boards cannot be joined. Interesting.... I like it.

 

[skibar_tx]

You see EFFENDUDE, we kept the dialogue going long enough, someone might have come up a solution to your problem... 1300 views later. Oh, FYI, I don't mind you calling me a fool.

BETTER PEOPLE THAN YOU HAVE SAID WORSE ABOUT ME.....

 

[nosualc]

You guys are using the wrong picture.

Bryan actually used the latest and best adjustable board. See picture below:

THAT is funny. Thanks for the levity, Shiraz. Nice Photoshop work.

-nosualc

 

[Dos XX]

Uhh. I'm gonna need one of those adjust-a-boards.

 

[Alexander-M]

I read this thread earlier today, and while we wait for a clarification or change of the rule, I thought I would make something like this in the meantime; however, I do like Shiraz's version better

Nando

 

[Steve Blair]

Are shooting safety glasses required when shooting. If so and Brian is actually shooting and not doing a photo op, then as a safety violation he should be disqualified. Randy

[br]
Bryan is wearing special safety contacts. : [br]
Hearing protection is overrated, too.

 

[effendude]

Are shooting safety glasses required when shooting. If so and Brian is actually shooting and not doing a photo op, then as a safety violation he should be disqualified. Randy

3.19 Eye Protection*—All competitors and other personnel in the immediate vicinity of the range complex are urged to wear protective eye wear.
3.20 Ear Protection*—All competitors and other personnel in the immediate vicinity of the range complex are urged to wear hearing protection devices of either the passive or electronic type. Standard medically prescribed hearing aids may be used.
*Match sponsors (and/or ranges) may require eye and ear protection.
Scott

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Are shooting safety glasses required when shooting. If so and Brian is actually shooting and not doing a photo op, then as a safety violation he should be disqualified. Randy

Never fails.

 

[Warren Dean]

Are shooting safety glasses required when shooting. If so and Brian is actually shooting and not doing a photo op, then as a safety violation he should be disqualified. Randy

Never fails.

Ain't it the truth? : : : LMAO

 

[Trevor60]

I have a question regarding rules, I've seen the question come up before and I've seen folks argue/interpret it either way but perhaps someone here can clarify - are single point spikes legal on a bipod?

Actually for that matter why would multi point "claws" be any different? Still two legs, just a little more surface area? Still less surface area than skis...

I only ask as I had someone question me on it recently and looking at the rules and threads I googled up from here it seems that they are legal but some folks still question it...

-pd

NRA rules
the spiked feet are legal. the max depth of the spike can not be longer then 2" the claw feet that you speak of are also legal the they do not protrude further then 2" and there is not interpretation of "the claw" as it only states 2 legs.

And to clarify i shot the claw feet and had the rules interpreted for me at both the US nationals and Worlds (before i shot), because just like you i had others question the legality of the claw.

DCRA and ICFRA do not have a rule regarding the number spikes "claws" they do reference leaving the firing point point undisturbed

 

[Taildrag15X]

I have a question regarding rules, I've seen the question come up before and I've seen folks argue/interpret it either way but perhaps someone here can clarify - are single point spikes legal on a bipod?

Actually for that matter why would multi point "claws" be any different? Still two legs, just a little more surface area? Still less surface area than skis...

I only ask as I had someone question me on it recently and looking at the rules and threads I googled up from here it seems that they are legal but some folks still question it...

-pd

NRA rules
the spiked feet are legal. the max depth of the spike can not be longer then 2" the claw feet that you speak of are also legal the they do not protrude further then 2" and there is not interpretation of "the claw" as it only states 2 legs.

And to clarify i shot the claw feet and had the rules interpreted for me at both the US nationals and Worlds (before i shot), because just like you i had others question the legality of the claw.

DCRA and ICFRA do not have a rule regarding the number spikes "claws" they do reference leaving the firing point point undisturbed

Trevor60 your quote is wrong about Bi Pod spikes, they are not legal for F/TR, F/O yes up to 3 spike feet on a Front Rest.

No where in 3.4.1 Rifle Rests does it state you can have spikes 2" long on a Bi Pod.

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O) - The rifle may be supported by any means which provides no positive mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot.

Subject to:

(1) No more than two rests may be used. If two rests are employed, they may not be attached to each other.

(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).

No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.

This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not be construed as such.

Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.

The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.

(3) A front rest may be employed for either the rifle’s fore end or for the forward hand. If attached, clamped, or held to the rifle, the front rest must be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule 3.4(a)).

(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or pistol grip shall rest directly on the ground or on any hard surface. Furthermore, any rear rest employed shall not be attached, clamped, or held onto the rifle in any manner. Mechanically adjustable rear rests are not allowed.

(5) As an alternative to (3) or (4), the rifle may be rested on a simple central support such as a rolled jacket, towel, blanket, or groundsheet, or upon a sandbag or beanbag.

(6) Any number and type of objects may be placed beneath each rest to compensate for variations in the height of the slope of the firing point or to reduce its rolling.

(7) The front rest or base may have up to three spiked feet which may be pressed into the ground by no more than 50mm (approximately 2 inches) provided this causes no significant harm to the firing point.

(8) Rests may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling. A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule 3.4(a)).

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests - A bipod and/or sling are the only allowed front supports for the F-TR rifle. The rifle may be supported by a bipod and/or sling and a rear support which provide no positive mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot. Subject to:

(1) The bipod and/or sling and rear support may not be attached to each other.

(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may not exceed the width of the bipod by 2”, nor be more than 12” front to rear. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).

No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.

This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not be construed as such.

Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.

The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.

(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point.

(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or forend shall rest directly on the ground or any hard surface. A rear rabbit eared bag, small sandbag or a gloved hand may be used to support the rifle’s butt. Any rear support employed shall not be attached, clamped or held to the rifle in any manner. The rear support may not be fixed to or protrude into the firing point. Mechanically adjustable rear support is not allowed.

(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support, to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point.

(6) The bipod and rear rest may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling. A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule 3.4.(b)).

I have had to have this claw/spike question answered by the NRA for Registered Tournaments I ran and you will not like what I was instructed:

They were found to be illegal per the High Power Committee in 2011.

 

[ptd]

Ok so one guy saying they are, another guy saying they are not and pasting rules that do not say either way as far as I can tell... So I am back where I started, confused...

The rules say nothing about spikes or "claws" in reference to bipods at all... If they were 'found to be illegal per the High Power Committee in 2011' why not put it in the rules once and for all? Was there a decision and/or amended rule in 2011 posted and then later dropped never to adopted into the official posted rules? I mean we are only in 2014 now...

-pd

 

[Taildrag15X]

ptd I may still have a copy of the email from the NRA High Power Rule Comm. I'll have to dig into the Clubs archive which could be difficult as someone else is running the Tournaments.

At the time I believe Sheri Judd, Moody and Dennis Willing were involved in determining that a Bi Pod per the Rules contact the Firing Point in only "2" spots, a Claw/foot with 3 or more points per leg would make 6 plus contact points making it illegal.

It's up to us competitors to straighten out the Rule Book, they act per a formal request to take to the Committee.

 

[XTR]

I think the rules two yrs ago had some language prohibiting spikes on bipods. They have revised the F-TR section quite a bit in the last couple of yrs. Claw feet or spikes on bopods were illegal the last I heard, but I've not seen the question in a while. (I've not seen any serious shooters use them so it has never been a question)

The rifle may be supported by a bipod and/or sling and a rear support which provide no positive
mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot

Claws or spikes can be interpreted to be in violation of this section.