Rule Question - FTR
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Jdne5b
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Are boards flexible and rubber?
If it's flexible then there would appear to be no limitations, but having it 12" in depth or less would certainly preclude any challenges. I better go measure mine...
http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf
3. EQUIPMENT AND AMMUNITION
3.4 F-Class Rifle -
3.4.1 Rifle Rests
3.4.1 (b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests
3.4.1.(b) (2)
The use of “tables” i.e. a single flat solid surface extending under both front rest and rear bag is prohibited. Carpet or similarly flexible matting may be placed under the front rest and rear bag. Separate flat boards and or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches on a given side may also be placed under the front rest and rear bag. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may be as wide as necessary to accommodate the bipod at its widest point, but not be more than 12” front to rear. It is not permitted to provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet. No levelling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.
3. EQUIPMENT AND AMMUNITION
3.4 F-Class Rifle -
3.4.1 Rifle Rests
3.4.1 (b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests
3.4.1.(b) (2)
The use of “tables” i.e. a single flat solid surface extending under both front rest and rear bag is prohibited. Carpet or similarly flexible matting may be placed under the front rest and rear bag. Separate flat boards and or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches on a given side may also be placed under the front rest and rear bag. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may be as wide as necessary to accommodate the bipod at its widest point, but not be more than 12” front to rear. It is not permitted to provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet. No levelling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.
skiutah02
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Several shooters of high ability and knowledge have told me (when I was obsessing over this in 2015) that the interpretation of board is wood and plate is metal. Thus, if you have a rigid wood board or rigid flat metal plate you are subject to the dimensions specified in the rules. Those of us (myself included) who use some variant of rubber mat and carpet fall under the "Any number and type of object(s) (of any material) may be placed beneath...to compensate for variations in the height, slope or surface of the firing point,..." rule.
Drew
Drew
Ned Ludd
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Whether it be a piece of carpet, or even your shooting mat under the bipod feet, the board/plate rule for bipods does not address it in any way. You might just read "board" or "plate" as "movable solid surface". I have a piece of 1/2" thick plexiglas cut for a Duplin bipod that would also fit the description. It doesn't really matter what's it's made of; if it's rigid, or constitutes a solid surface, it will fall under this rule. If it can be rolled up, it will not.
The 2" rule does NOT apply to bipods. If you apply the 2" rule then it has to apply to the depth of the board as well. We would all be shooting off of 6" wide boards.
"Seperate flat boards and or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches on a given side"
The 2" rule applies to F Open rests as the exact same language is used for F Open.
For a bipod the board may be 12" deep and "as wide as necessary".
Craig
"Seperate flat boards and or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches on a given side"
The 2" rule applies to F Open rests as the exact same language is used for F Open.
For a bipod the board may be 12" deep and "as wide as necessary".
Craig
memilanuk
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Wrong. The way the language is intended, and most commonly interpreted by match directors, referees, etc. is no more than 12 inches deep, front to back, and as wide as necessary for the bipod at its max width, plus two inches on each side so the dang thing isn't slipping off every couple shots.
Stop making this harder than it needs to be.
Stop making this harder than it needs to be.
memilanuk
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Not unless you go and sandwich a fiber glass layer in the middle, making it ridgid... therefore a 'board or plate'.
The easiest way to test? Can you roll it into a tube? Then it's not a board or plate.
So, if my bipod is 20" wide, what is the maximum width of my board? 22" or 24"?
24" in the US. I don't shoot F-TR, so I'm not sure what the rule will be for worlds.
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
Why even go there and risk violating or be deemed in violation based upon 2"? To me, not worth the risk.
Alex
The post you responded to is 3 yrs old, and erroneously quoted a (now outdated) rule for F-Open.
The current version of that rules addresses F-Open bipods and F-TR bipods similarly.
The current 3.4.1(a)(2) reads in part-
" ...in the case of a bipod, the board or plate may be as wide as necessary to accommodate the bipod at its widest point, but not be more than 12” front to rear. It is not permitted to provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet. No levelling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom."
For the most current rule, addressing boards/ plates in F-TR, scroll up to my previous post where the relevant rule, and link to the current rules are posted.
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memilanuk
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The US NRA language for this particular paragraph was updated to reflect the ICFRA rules, which were tuned up following some questions @ the 2013 FCWC. Is it 100% perfect? Probably not. To make it completely iron-clad and devoid of any and all wiggle room, would require about 3x as much space. A certain amount of common sense on behalf of the reader was assumed...
memilanuk
Gold $$ Contributor
The US NRA language for this particular paragraph was updated to reflect the ICFRA rules, which were tuned up following some questions @ the 2013 FCWC. Is it 100% perfect? Probably not. To make it completely iron-clad and devoid of any and all wiggle room, would require about 3x as much space. A certain amount of common sense on behalf of the reader was assumed...
Well I certainly have no intention of measuring the width of people's boards/plates/mats, especially with no established limit to reference!
memilanuk
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@ScottyB you can blame the language in F.2.9 on me. It was written on somewhat of a deadline, given that such changes have to be completed and ratified within a fairly tight window (no later than 18 months following the previous FCWC, for those of you who wonder why it can't be changed right now, on the spot).
Personally, I think it's pretty simple: if a person has a board or plate that is more than 12" deep, or more than 4" wider than their bipod (2" per side) at whatever its max width is... it's a no-go. There is no fixed number, because some bipods (Phoenix, Star, Duplin, etc.) vary continuously in width, depending on their height setting. It was worded the way it was since you can't reasonably expect a competitor to have a variable width board or boards for every possible range/firing point configuration they might possibly encounter.
As I said earlier, don't make this harder than it needs to be. Probably not something that needs checked during registration, but if you see someone on the line with a board that is *obviously* out of spec... either quietly broach the topic with them and see if it really is a) out of spec or b) intentional, or use the normal procedure to (respectfully) lodge a protest with your match officials, and let them handle it from there. A lot of new shooters aren't aware of the finer points of the rules, or don't keep track of the changes as they occur - or simply forget that their new bipod doesn't have the same footprint as their old one.
Personally, I think it's pretty simple: if a person has a board or plate that is more than 12" deep, or more than 4" wider than their bipod (2" per side) at whatever its max width is... it's a no-go. There is no fixed number, because some bipods (Phoenix, Star, Duplin, etc.) vary continuously in width, depending on their height setting. It was worded the way it was since you can't reasonably expect a competitor to have a variable width board or boards for every possible range/firing point configuration they might possibly encounter.
As I said earlier, don't make this harder than it needs to be. Probably not something that needs checked during registration, but if you see someone on the line with a board that is *obviously* out of spec... either quietly broach the topic with them and see if it really is a) out of spec or b) intentional, or use the normal procedure to (respectfully) lodge a protest with your match officials, and let them handle it from there. A lot of new shooters aren't aware of the finer points of the rules, or don't keep track of the changes as they occur - or simply forget that their new bipod doesn't have the same footprint as their old one.
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