Rem action accuracy

[Tim Singleton]

Sometimes I wonder about reading comprehension on this board.

The OP has clearly stated, at least three separate times..... "factory actions only".... yet people continue to recommend that he go with a custom.

My question is if I build a br gun with all the same quality parts and quality work on a rem action can it be as accurate as a custom with same components? Not trying to start a debate of rem vs custom. What would make it less accurate, bolt design etc? The class I presently shoot only allows factory actions so I'm trying to decide my what to build next, modified or custom. Thanks

The original post above
He clearly says for BR clearly asks for the difference that would make it less accurate that a custom for BR
How do you get we are wrong for answering his question about custom actions?

 

[Tim Singleton]

This is what the first BR rifle I owned looked like. a Remington trued blue printed and epoxied into a sleeve to make it ridgid and increase bedding surface.
This is what it takes to come close to competing at a high level in short range BR. It still will not shoot as fast
So after you have spent the money to get to here you could have a used custom for less.
This was a state of the art top of the line rig back in the 1970s

 

[LHSmith]

Exactly right. The factory 700 is deficient in stock-to-action contact area. Customs improved on that by using either a square tang, flat bottom with integral lug, or both.
The Remington's that have set BR records that I am aware of were all sleeved ( except in Hunter class which does not allow that alteration).
Lets not forget the OP is talking competition where the gun must perform well all day long, not just shoot a bug hole once in a while.

 

[butchlambert]

Other then bedding a blue printed Remington would be the same. That is what blue printings is . Larry

Larry, you are stepping in it again! You better clean it off your boots. Blueprinting? What is your definition of it? Give me a good answer, not what is posted on the "INTERNET" by folks that do not have a clue.

 

[ttfreestyle]

Ok I am going to stay in UBR modified class this year so it's a rem action for me, I can't shoot to its potential at this time anyways. I may move up to custom or unlimited class next year and will need to pick a custom action. That's another can of worms huh, lol. It's ALOT to think about. I agree economically it is smarter to go the custom route but there are times when a custom is not allowed by the rules. Thanks for all the replys.

 

[savagedasher]

Larry, you are stepping in it again! You better clean it off your boots. Blueprinting? What is your definition of it? Give me a good answer, not what is posted on the "INTERNET" by folks that do not have a clue.

When a engine is blueprinted ever thing was taken to exact tolerance . If something was wrong it was made to the best tolerance to function properly. To me a blueprintented 700 action would as good as any custom action. Timing bolt lift Square bolt clearence . Larry

 

[butchlambert]

Ok I am going to stay in UBR modified class this year so it's a rem action for me, I can't shoot to its potential at this time anyways. I may move up to custom or unlimited class next year and will need to pick a custom action. That's another can of worms huh, lol. It's ALOT to think about. I agree economically it is smarter to go the custom route but there are times when a custom is not allowed by the rules. Thanks for all the replys.

Good decision Sir.

 

[butchlambert]

When a engine is blueprinted ever thing was taken to exact tolerance . If something was wrong it was made to the best tolerance to function properly. To me a blueprintented 700 action would as good as any custom action. Timing bolt lift Square bolt clearence . Larry

Come on Larry, That is not an answer. Where will you find the "blueprint" to guide you? How would you know what is wrong without a blueprint to go by? Remington's real blueprints won't work as they are not BR tolerance. Tell me exactly what is needed, not this squared up and close tolerance stuff. Tell me step by step what it takes to make a Remington or Salvage action equivalent to a BR receiver and a firm cost of this.

 

[Cold Bore]

When a engine is blueprinted ever thing was taken to exact tolerance . If something was wrong it was made to the best tolerance to function properly.

Come on Larry, That is not an answer.

Of course it is.

"Best tolerance" is all you need to know.

Of course, I don't need to know what ideal I am working towards, or even what "best" really is, as long as I can get there. It might be different than "exact tolerance", but I'm betting they're sorta close to each other.

I think I'll just pick my favorite number, start dremeling, and do my "best" to make something come out to that "exact" number, somewhere!

 

[savagedasher]

Come on Larry, That is not an answer. Where will you find the "blueprint" to guide you? How would you know what is wrong without a blueprint to go by? Remington's real blueprints won't work as they are not BR tolerance. Tell me exactly what is needed, not this squared up and close tolerance stuff. Tell me step by step what it takes to make a Remington or Salvage action equivalent to a BR receiver and a firm cost of this.

Why shouldn't it be? If I was going to blueprint a Remington I would make as good as any custom action . Custom and Remington are made with metal why should the not be the same .
I can buy a crate motor for $ 5200.00 And I can send it to precision engine for blueprinting $6000.00 later I have the same engine that is perfect . Larry

 

[Cold Bore]

Custom and Remington are made with metal why should the not be the same .

Good point.

I'll keep that in mind next time I get the urge to swap a factory barrel for a custom tube.

After all, they're both just metal tubes with a spiral hole drilled through them.

Or maybe I'll just send it to you to have you "blueprint" it for me, making it just as good as that custom tube that I "thought" I needed.

 

[LHSmith]

Ok I am going to stay in UBR modified class this year so it's a rem action for me, I can't shoot to its potential at this time anyways. I may move up to custom or unlimited class next year and will need to pick a custom action. That's another can of worms huh, lol. It's ALOT to think about. I agree economically it is smarter to go the custom route but there are times when a custom is not allowed by the rules. Thanks for all the replys.

That's the big plus for UBR, you have many choices in which class to compete.

 

[savagedasher]

Good point.

I'll keep that in mind next time I get the urge to swap a factory barrel for a custom tube.

After all, they're both just steel tubes with a spiral hole drilled through them.

Or maybe I'll just send it to you to have you "blueprint" it for me, making it just as good as that custom tube that I "thought" I needed.

Sorry guy . I don't do either . Before they made custom actions . I seen a bushed Remington that had a trigger hanger And timing change and was better then most customs . Larry

 

[Eddie Harren]

Sorry guy . I don't do either . Before they made custom actions . I seen a bushed Remington that had a trigger hanger And timing change and was better then most customs . Larry

Ah, yes. Back when the ships were wood and the men were iron. The "Good'll Days". Larry remembers it all, like it was next week.

 

[LHSmith]

Ah, yes. Back when the ships were wood and the men were iron. The "Good'll Days". Larry remembers it all, like it was next week.

For those who don't know- Eddie WAS one of those "iron men" winning a lot of wood and Hunter Class championships with Remington 722 actions -non-sleeved. And I guess you could say wife Sarah, was an iron lady because she often- times beat Eddie (on the range of course)and took her fair share of wood with a 722. No small feat back in earlier years of IBS when Hunter Class shooters dominated the matches, and VFS shooters were the minority.

 

[savagedasher]

Ah, yes. Back when the ships were wood and the men were iron. The "Good'll Days". Larry remembers it all, like it was next week.

History has a way of repeating itself I hate it when it happens . Larry

 

[Greyfox]

Research if the UBR modified class scores are on par with the Custom Class scores. In sanctioned group and VFS score competition, the blueprinted Factory actions are non-existent ....the very few that are campaigned don't make in to the upper half of the finishing order..........
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This is a very good suggestion. But since we are talking about UBR there is a little more to it. UBR has only been in existence for six years. When we started up, most of us were shooting custom rifles in 30BR having come from IBS competition. Over time, several of us saw the opportunity to pick up some relatively easy wins with Modified factory rifles as there wasn't much competition yet. I was one of those and did well at first with a sleeved Remington.222 and after that with the rifle (6PPC) that the OP is now competing with. Over time others have seen the opportunity and have chosen to compete in Modified. But many shooters see Custom as a "higher" class, when, in fact, it isn't, just as Hunter Class and Varmint Hunter Class in the other two organizations are just two different classes. One is no "higher" than the other. I will say that the more experienced shooters tend to have custom actions and compete either in custom or unlimited class. There are only a few of us, who have been in the game since the beginning, that still compete from time to time in Modified Class. The current records in Custom & Unlimited are a few points higher than Modified, but I would say that has more to do with the experience and actual number of competitors in Modified than the accuracy potential of the rifles. I tell every new shooter that Modified Class is the most economical place to start because of the availability of good benchrest Remington rifles at a low cost. I will also add, though unrelated, that the majority of shooters have moved away from the 30BR to either a 6PPC or 6BR with a few of us shooting a 224 of one type or another.

As far as shooting multiple classes, I almost always shoot in two classes as well as run the matches at Gallatin. I have sometimes won both classes, but as more people have gotten involved even a win in one class is rare. This is a good thing as nobody wants to see one person win them all. We have a tough crowd at Gallatin and it is a tough place to shoot as well. The OP is doing extremely well in his first season and he will get better.

Rick

 

[Tim Singleton]

I realize score is a different animal than group
But this link is a good illustration of how a custom action works that a factory action just can't compete with

 

[DukeDuke]

how many of you double check the tolerances and lug contact of your custom actions, or, do you just take their word for it?

 

[Greyfox]

I realize score is a different animal than group
But this link is a good illustration of how a custom action works that a factory action just can't compete with

Tim, you are certainly correct, score is a different game. That being said, I've seen Jackie Stogsdil shoot a score target just about that fast and he didn't have an ejector.
But referring back to the original thought, in UBR those shooting Modified Class are competing against others in Modified Class, not Custom. So, it really doesn't matter if custom class is faster and smoother, you're not competing against them.

Rick