Rem action accuracy

[boltman223]

Profit margins is determined how many you can build and sell. The more you can build in a day the probability of more profit is there.
For a company to exist 60 to 80 percent over the cost of the prouduct can be espected. Many of the equipment that is need can cost millions . Plus tooling . Larry

I guess I've never seen a wire EDM or vertical machining center that cost a million dollars. Not saying that it's not possible. I just haven't spent a lot of time looking at them.

I know $500,000 is possible. That's a lot of money.


So if greg tannel made actions and sold them for $950 and was making 60% ($570) and charges $450 for complete Accurizing that'd be $120 more in his pocket if he sold his action instead of trueing one with less work? Nice!

 

[rpierce]

Boltman: Whats to say you cant sell your action in hand for 400-450 dollars. Take that money and the money you were going to spend on truing and just buy a custom for the same price. At the end of the day even if theres a hundred dollar difference between the factory and custom that amount is nothing compared to amount spent on components over the life of the gun. Heck thats only 2 boxes of berger bullets.

 

[boltman223]

Boltman: Whats to say you cant sell your action in hand for 400-450 dollars. Take that money and the money you were going to spend on truing and just buy a custom for the same price. At the end of the day even if theres a hundred dollar difference between the factory and custom that amount is nothing compared to amount spent on components over the life of the gun. Heck thats only 2 boxes of berger bullets.

Very true for a $950 action. I was looking at a BAT M and their site says $1300 so the would be $350, but I do see your point.

 

[savagedasher]

So if greg tannel made actions and sold them for $950 and was making 60% ($570) and charges $450 for complete Accurizing that'd be $120 more in his pocket if he sold his action instead of trueing one with less work? Nice!

It take several hours to true action. In the same amount of time the one person could make several customs because of the set up time . The tooling set up takes longer then it does to do the job . Don't look at one action. No company could say in exist only making
$500.00 per man per day. Larry

 

[aloreman]

ptg has trued remington actions for 6??

 

[boltman223]

ptg has trued remington actions for 6??

I've wondered about those. Are the single pointed or do they use a tapped mandrel? How true does a tap really make something? Doesn't a tap just follow a previous thread? Even with a mandrel guiding it.

 

[savagedasher]

ptg has trued remington actions for 6??

If you read John Pierce note their is a lot more to making a action then trueing . Blue printing is what is needed . Larry

 

[LarryDScott]

Its not whether you can win w/a Remington,
its a matter of how much better you want to
look shooting a custom. For some, its about
talking about your custom action rifle at the
coffee shop, rather than saying you are
shooting a Remington. Your mileage may vary,
w/what ever you choose. LDS

 

[Eddie Harren]

If you read John Pierce note their is a lot more to making a action then trueing . Blue printing is what is needed . Larry

If you read John Pierce note their is a lot more to making a action then trueing . Blue printing is what is needed . Larry

Just get a Savage and stop worrying about it.

 

[savagedasher]

Just get a Savage and stop worrying about it.

I have several and they shoot . Larry

 

[squint-n-squeeze]

And one more thing to think about how many people have put a match grade barrel on a untrued remington 700 and it shot amazing.

Yes - can anyone speak to this? How much harm would it do to stick a match grade barrel on an untrued 700 action? Would the difference in accuracy be quantifiable? If not suitable for benchrest competition, would it be suitable for sling competition?

 

[butchlambert]

Yes - can anyone speak to this? How much harm would it do to stick a match grade barrel on an untrued 700 action? Would the difference in accuracy be quantifiable? If not suitable for benchrest competition, would it be suitable for sling competition?

Yes!

 

[Tim Singleton]

I shot my first few registered matches with a customized Remington action sleeved by Sealy Masker. I shot a couple screamers with it.
But it was no comparison to a Bat or a Panda. The bolt lift is the biggest problem with a hot load. Upsetting the gun in the bags just won't do

No one has to listen or agree spend your money thinking it's not required. Spend some more when you see for yourself
If it wasn't custom actions wouldn't exist

 

[Frankr]

I guess the cost of blue printing a 700 is really up to what your gunsmith charges and how good a job he does.
I have owned several customs and have had several 700's trued/blue printed and I can say I like my 700's just like how they feel to me and they have shot as well as a custom. Now when it comes to Benchrest shooting it is hard to beat a QUALITY CUSTOM action. for bolt lift/timing, speed,firing pin hole,pressure handling ect..stiffer bedding surface all that good stuff that you want a custom action for.I have a stiller Tac 30 now and one trued 700 I shoot a good bit and most of the time I think it's hard to beat a good smithed 700. But yes if shooting BR or competition a custom is the way to go.

 

[savagedasher]

I guess the cost of blue printing a 700 is really up to what your gunsmith charges and how good a job he does.
I have owned several customs and have had several 700's trued/blue printed and I can say I like my 700's just like how they feel to me and they have shot as well as a custom. Now when it comes to Benchrest shooting it is hard to beat a QUALITY CUSTOM action. for bolt lift/timing, speed,firing pin hole,pressure handling ect..stiffer bedding surface all that good stuff that you want a custom action for.I have a stiller Tac 30 now and one trued 700 I shoot a good bit and most of the time I think it's hard to beat a good smithed 700. But yes if shooting BR or competition a custom is the way to go.

Other then bedding a blue printed Remington would be the same. That is what blue printings is . Larry

 

[Frankr]

Other then bedding a blue printed Remington would be the same. That is what blue printings is . Larry

Would be the same as what?

 

[robbor]

My question is if I build a br gun with all the same quality parts and quality work on a rem action can it be as accurate as a custom with same components? Not trying to start a debate of rem vs custom. What would make it less accurate, bolt design etc? The class I presently shoot only allows factory actions so I'm trying to decide my what to build next, modified or custom. Thanks

Im not a BR shooter, but engineering minded. Have heard lots of horror stories about accurized actions. And although factory actions can shoot great, the first time is stripped my savage long action and pulled the magazine off and saw the amount of metal left i cringed. Ive also seen smiths actually twist action by overtightening the barrel and much more. I just ordered a bat M in integral PIC rail. And i will prob b ordering another repeater of some sort in the future with the integral rail soon for a second gun. Sure wish BAt made the M round with integral rail and repeater.
But i ordered the 1.47 single shot for stiffness with rail for heavy recoil 338 rogue i want. I wont spend the money on accurizing and custom barrel work for a factory action when im spending big bucks.

 

[savagedasher]

Would be the same as what?

Every thing but the bedding a fully blue printed would have all you listed . Larry

 

[Frankr]

Every thing but the bedding a fully blue printed would have all you listed . Larry

got it...yea if you took it that far...my smith does not charge much to true a 700 action..square from the lugs out.cut new threads.
using the factory bolt...not oversized or bushed. and they have shot as well as a custom but they do lack the feel,bolt lift,timing,firing pin hole and do not take pressure as a custom..but are true and shoot very well..Now he has been doing them for 30 + years and knows what he is doing, has made many of his own tools..as he was a tool and die maker.
He is one of the best. I would never spend the full blue print on a 700..I really do not think it is needed for them to shoot well and you can never make one function as a custom. they just need to be trued and straight. IMO...I have one right now that can turn in .300's at 200 yards NO it is not a BR rifle, NO it is not a full blueprint.NO I don't think it can be or win competition matches..but I know for sure a custom action wont shoot any better.

 

[Cold Bore]

Sometimes I wonder about reading comprehension on this board.

The OP has clearly stated, at least three separate times..... "factory actions only".... yet people continue to recommend that he go with a custom.