RCBS Bench Primer w Holland Upgrade vs Primal Rights $600.00 Tool

[SKWERLZ]

Barrel life averages 10 seconds, the RCBS is pretty quick

Is it as smooth, effortless and adjustable as the CPS?

 

[kenhwind]

Is it as smooth, effortless and adjustable as the CPS?

I wouldn't consider the RCBS smooth but mine was only $100.00 on sale at Midway, with free shipping.

 

[kenhwind]

If you buy the Holland, there is a credit card fee and shipping will be almost $30. Combined, it’s $35 to $40 more than the listed price. You don’t get to know about the shipping cost until after you make the purchase online.

I would have passed on it if I would have known that at the time of order.

Shipping is one thing but to charge a retail customer a CC fee.

 

[Karlandco]

If I am understanding what you just said. You may have stated the difference. You are saying the CPS will adjust beyond bottoming out. You can seat beyond crush. You can crush more than the RCBS unit....am I understanding ?

Both the RCBS and CPS can adjust beyond crush. I was just pointing out that quality factory rounds are made with extremely consistant primer seating depth. Again, I have not tested but others I trust have and crushing the primer too far seems to have negative effects such as flyers and higher ES. If you measure the depth of your pocket and compare that to the overall primer, that will tell you how far below the case head your making "contact". Then of course, you measure the primer cup only; without the anvil. Subtract the numbers and you get the how much crush the primer will allow without crushing the cup itself. Some folks have done testing on how much crush produces the most consistant numbers. I simply go about halfway. This way I'm not distorting the cup but I have constant contact between the pocket depth and anvil. All primer types measure different as well as obviously pocket depth. Lot numbers change this as well as does the pocket at each firing, ie your pocket depth changes. I don't get too carried away. I do measure 10-20 primers out of a lot and mark the numbers on the box. Then each firing I take a few samples of the brass and remeasure pocket depth to keep track of how they are changing. Then in my load book I notate it. Just like when loading for powder charge you want to have some forgiveness in charge where the velocity changes the least...say between 39 & 39.8 grains still maintains 3000 - 3020fps. I'll crush halfway between cup and anvil to allow some pocket depth or primer variation. Lapua/Peterson does change like any other brass but typically it's a more consistant change provided the brass has been exposed to the same powder charge. When you arrive at a powder load, segregate the brass by which ones were exposed to higher pressure. If you experience variances in quality brass its more likely you load developed with same batch and some of it has been barely moved and some of it has been squeezed harder.

 

[Walt Krafft]

The aluminum tube of the rcbs is not contained in a steel blast shield like a Dillon loader has. An accident was described to me this morning where a tube exploded costing the person his trigger finger on one hand and a thumb on the other. Safety glasses protected him from the shrapnel launched from the tube. Be careful out there!

 

[6BRA]

The aluminum tube of the rcbs is not contained in a steel blast shield like a Dillon loader has. An accident was described to me this morning where a tube exploded costing the person his trigger finger on one hand and a thumb on the other. Safety glasses protected him from the shrapnel launched from the tube. Be careful out there!

the tube on the RCBS is back away from the priming process...how could an RCBS primer tube possibly explode. It rocks forward on a rocker like action. Dont understand this, thanks!

 

[Walt Krafft]

It is thought that static electricity set it off as he was loading it. That is why he had both hands involved.

 

[6BRA]

Not sure where I singled you out???

Was referring to threads like this in general. There are people who really want to know and people who really just want to argue or say the way they're doing it is best and the new way that costs more is not as good as the old way.

Wasn't directed at you but more the pushback people get when they post in threads like this.

Dave,
sorry about that. I really am interested. Not wanting to knock someones product. Just really curious what one can do, that the other can't. Thanks and sorry.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

The aluminum tube of the rcbs is not contained in a steel blast shield like a Dillon loader has. An accident was described to me this morning where a tube exploded costing the person his trigger finger on one hand and a thumb on the other. Safety glasses protected him from the shrapnel launched from the tube. Be careful out there!

Do any of the tube loaders have a blast shield while actually loading the tube?
I was also curious if this accident happened while loading the tube normally from a plastic flip tray, or were the primers loaded off a metal surface.

 

[Firearmsunlimited]

I like this one from sinclair.

 

[6BRA]

Lets put this to rest. My eyes have just been opened. All I can say is wow. Makes sense.
Heading down the rabbit hole now.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I use the RCBS with Hollands upgrade. It works pretty good, not perfect. Given the cost of the Primal Rights I'd buy the Hollands again. Here's the deal though, not all primer pockets are the same depth so without sorting them by depth, seating primers to all the same depth will have inconsistent ignition anyway. This is true of both tools. I don't know a super fast, accurate way of measuring primer depth and the way I do know is slow. I've found the RCBS with Hollands to be pretty consistant. Your still going to have to employ a decent "feel" for seating as the stop screw will not completely stop the plunger in its tracks. The handle is long and your leverage will still over/under seat the primer. I've found a good way of minimizing this. The screw stops on a sliding bar. ""When you get the tool you'll know what I'm talking about."" When I push the handle down to seat the primer I simultaneously rotate the bar. Once the depth set screw makes contact with the bar, you can't rotate it anymore. This gives you an exact "feel" for when your depth has been reached. IMO a seater that seats by pressure might be a better method but then again some pockets can be tighter than others as well. I haven't tested numerous depths but I like knowing my ignition is "more" consistant than before I owned this tool. By the way, pocket depth can be measured 2 ways: case head to pocket depth and depth of pocket to inside of flash hole ....which is probably more important. Good luck measuring that one on several hundred rounds!

This is where the 21st century pocket uniformer comes in- on sale right now

 

[timeout]

Primer pockets should never be long. I uniform all pockets to a depth of .1195” and I’ve never found a single piece of Lapua 6BR brass that didn’t clean up completely (and I’ve cleaned up 1000’s of pieces of brass)
Dave

This! I uniform every piece of brass I load and use a 21st Century seater. Call me cheap if you must but I'm not spending the $$ for a Primal seating tool.

 

[Don Shelton]

HAS ANYONE HERE USED BOTH. BOTH OF THESE UNITS SEAT THE PRIMER BY ADJUSTMENT AND CONTROL DEPTH AND CRUSH? I HAVE USED THE RCBS BENCH SEATER FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. NOT INTERESTED IN HIGH VOLUME/ INTERESTED IN BLUEPRINTED AMMO. WHAT WILL THE CPS DO THAT THE RCBS WITH HOLLAND UPGRADE WONT DO?


TIA

I have the rcbs with upgrades,my buddy has primal rights….they both work as advertised…very important to spec your primer pockets and have a good primer pocket tool and measuring guage

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I have a primal rights and its a very very well made piece. Precision and quality comes at a price

 

[Shooter13]

So, what will the 21st century do, that the other 2 mentioned above wont? I already have the RCBS bench priming tool. To control depth and crush I am ordering the Holland perfect primer seater add on. I must say, I doubt I would leave a bench type tool. What will any of these units do, that the other wont?

Can you adjust the amount of crush on the primer with the RCBS?

 

[Shooter13]

Both the RCBS and CPS can adjust beyond crush.

How does the RCBS do it? I've had one and without jury rigging I didn't see how.

 

[Karlandco]

How does the RCBS do it? I've had one and without jury rigging I didn't see how.

Sorry. I meant the RCBS with Hollands upgrade. It's kind of a kit that allows you to have better control over seating depth.

 

[Karlandco]

This is where the 21st century pocket uniformer comes in- on sale right now

You know, I'm pressed to buy one but I'm hesitant to touch my pockets...primer pockets that is I was told by someone once to just stay away from it as they are already more consistant than we can make them. I don't doubt they ream em perfect, I'm more concerned with the depth of the pocket base to the far side of the flash hole inside the case. I don't know how to measure that and in my tiny brain I imagine it's like a nozzle. More or less distance there can create a wider or narrower flame. I really don't know if that is valid or not. All the tools used to clean up pockets measure off the case head, although that's an easy way to use a tool I'm not sure that's what measurement matters as what comes out the other end is what we're really focused on.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Lets put this to rest. My eyes have just been opened. All I can say is wow. Makes sense.
Heading down the rabbit hole now.

I understand what your saying as to be safe.
I don’t know how many primer tubes are out there and this is including the ones on presses from RCBS,Lyman, and the like for probably 75 years now. Let’s just say they have a track record.