RCBS Bench Primer w Holland Upgrade vs Primal Rights $600.00 Tool

[Dusty Stevens]

Well, 4 pages on primer seating,but nobody has said if they have noticed a difference on the target.

I just thought it was a given that consistent primer seating does indeed show up on the target. We have hashed that out before

 

[PDS]

RickyK and Dusty, Thanks. I was just wondering about this. My level of shooting just doesn't require that amount of precision.

 

[Dave M.]

This! I uniform every piece of brass I load and use a 21st Century seater. Call me cheap if you must but I'm not spending the $$ for a Primal seating tool.

I meant to 21st uniformer. I hand prime everything with an old RCBS unit.
Dave

 

[Dusty Stevens]

RickyK and Dusty, Thanks. I was just wondering about this. My level of shooting just doesn't require that amount of precision.

Eliminate any controllable variable and thatll be one less thing holding you back

 

[Kracken McGraw]

From older threads the thought was not to uniform primer pockets on new brass, wait until you fire it as to not remove to much to brass to start with.

 

[Dave M.]

From older threads the thought was not to uniform primer pockets on new brass, wait until you fire it as to not remove to much to brass to start with.

I’ve never done this but I suppose it makes some sense.

 

[DeerHunter82]

HAS ANYONE HERE USED BOTH. BOTH OF THESE UNITS SEAT THE PRIMER BY ADJUSTMENT AND CONTROL DEPTH AND CRUSH? I HAVE USED THE RCBS BENCH SEATER FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. NOT INTERESTED IN HIGH VOLUME/ INTERESTED IN BLUEPRINTED AMMO. WHAT WILL THE CPS DO THAT THE RCBS WITH HOLLAND UPGRADE WONT DO?


TIA

I have the Holland adapter. I love it.

 

[Harvey McCraw]

I have a primal rights and its a very very well made piece. Precision and quality comes at a price

Me too Dusty. Your right

 

[4Bowhunter]

Watch the you tube video between Erik Cortina and CPS guy and you might get some questions answered

Totally not worth the price. Some people like to just spend money. Just get a good tool that will seat primers consistently.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Totally not worth the price. Some people like to just spend money. Just get a good tool that will seat primers consistently.

Never used one im guessing?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012930411?pid=416519
Another option for priming from RCBS for single feeding. Anyone have any experience with it?

 

[6BRA]

the trick is to find the priming unit that indexes off of the bottom of the primer pocket and not using the rim as a datum point. Its out there!....the rim and and primer depth guage that works off the rim...is pointless.
primer pocket depth varies and indexing from the rim...continues those variances.

 

[Della]

All I’d like to have is the Holland handle return spring.

 

[eric32]

I'll throw my sense in for what's it's worth.

I recently purchased the CPS. I did it for a few reasons.

1. The speed in which I can prime cases is pretty quick.
2. I DONT need some magic feel to know how deep the primers are seated in the case.
3. A controlled hard stop depth setting that is adjustable.
4. I am not priming on my dillon anymore and having to deal with swapping about the whole assembly every time I want to swap from small to large.
5. I can get a more consistent due to the hard stop and not having to develope the feel if a pocket is tighter or softer.

I still purchased the CPS knowing this that Mr LITZ himself has tested the primer seating depth theory in a laboratory setting and found no correlation. The only thing he stated is the primer must match the powder burn rate.

Also uniforming primer pockets is a waste and will ruin primer pocket depths consistency.

 

[nmkid]

I'll throw my sense in for what's it's worth.

I recently purchased the CPS. I did it for a few reasons.

1. The speed in which I can prime cases is pretty quick.
2. I DONT need some magic feel to know how deep the primers are seated in the case.
3. A controlled hard stop depth setting that is adjustable.
4. I am not priming on my dillon anymore and having to deal with swapping about the whole assembly every time I want to swap from small to large.
5. I can get a more consistent due to the hard stop and not having to develope the feel if a pocket is tighter or softer.

I still purchased the CPS knowing this that Mr LITZ himself has tested the primer seating depth theory in a laboratory setting and found no correlation. The only thing he stated is the primer must match the powder burn rate.

I can do #3 and #5 with my $90 Bald Eagle priming tool. However, that CPS is sure slick.

 

[eric32]

You can but I am not touching every primer to set in the tool. When I can load up a dillon tube and go.

What is your time worth? If I can buy faster and more accurate. I'll do that.

 

[timeout]

Also uniforming primer pockets is a waste and will ruin primer pocket depths consistency.

You undoubtedly have way more experience than myself but I would respectfully disagree with this statement.

 

[eric32]

I wouldn't say all that. Not knowing you at all.

But I challenge you to try it for your self. Grab some lapua brass uniform 10 pieces and leave 10 alone and shoot them for ES and group size.

Also measure the depths in Virgin brass before and after the first and second and third firing report the results.

Also if Brian litz can't find a correlation with primer seating depths then how will removing brass from the strongest part of the case help.

 

[JFrank]

I wouldn't say all that. Not knowing you at all.

But I challenge you to try it for your self. Grab some lapua brass uniform 10 pieces and leave 10 alone and shoot them for ES and group size.

If you clean the pockets lightly with a good uniformer tool, what’s the down side to having pockets of equal depth ?

 

[eric32]

Your ability to actually control the depth and the datum of measure the is used to measure that.