RCBS Bench Primer w Holland Upgrade vs Primal Rights $600.00 Tool

[kenhwind]

I've been using a LEE Auto prime II for years now and prime pistol brass on the Dillon 550.
I just recently acquired an RCBS Bench Mounted Priming Tool, and it is great. I have some older CCI Large Pistol primers that I traded some shotgun primers for and the Lee nor the Dillon would seat them, but the RCBS no problem.

Not being a precision rifle shooter, it would seem to be that seating the primer completely would be more important than any particular measurement.

I personally see no reason for me to have the Holland upgrade although it looks like a good option.

 

[One Eye Pete]

Before you spend big money on a a precision primer seater buy an Accuracy One precision primer gauge. It is a great tool that provides fast accurate measurement of primer pocket depth and the actual seated primer depth.
I use the RCBS bench tool with my own seating depth stop system. It basically does the same thing the Holland upgrade does. Theoretically, it should seat all the primers at the same depth. If I measure each primer depth when I seat 100 primers the best I am actually able to do is about +/- .001. I attribute this to the following
1. Even using a primer pocket uniformer the pocket depth can easily vary by .0005.
2. The primers themselves can vary in thickness.
3. Just a little dirt or debris in the pocket can cause a variation.
4. The primer cups are brass and as we all know brass can spring back when formed or crushed.
.001 is a very small measurement. There are many other sources of inaccuracy in reloading. I believe that it is when errors stack up that you create inaccurate rounds. I can hold seating depth to +/- .0005 but that's still not perfect. By the way Accuracy one also makes a great easy to use gauge for seating depth too.
After reloading for many years I try to get everything as accurate as possible within reason but what I definitely try to avoid is falling down expensive RABBIT HOLES.

 

[Karlandco]

I hate it when people try to sell snake oil.
Get this
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Definitely could be snake oil. Won't know until I test and I'm pretty satisfied with my groups with primers .002 past crush. With the cost of components it gonna take a back burner.. Before I bought the Hollands I measured the depth of the primers below the case head on a factory box of Hornady Precision Hunter and Nosler Trophy Grade. I don't recall the depth but every case had identacle primer depth. When I measured mine just seated from feel, not so much.

 

[Karlandco]

Crazy. I’m still using an Old obsolete RCBS tool like the one pictured and its works great but I don’t shoot competition either. I’m hoping some feedback comes in, I’m truly curious.

If you mount that primer seater to that magic coffee table you have I betcha the bullets will find a way to the X all by themselves!

 

[Chiquita]

I like nice equipment and I am sure we both wouldn't mind having a brand new Ford, even though our 2010 truck does the job just as well.

IMO, this applies to fancy reloading equipment.

When the $600 tool was not around, how were people winning matches and setting world records?

When the 2022 Ford F250 Lariate package was not around, how were people going.....

I think you getting my drift.

 

[rijndael]

If you buy the Holland, there is a credit card fee and shipping will be almost $30. Combined, it’s $35 to $40 more than the listed price. You don’t get to know about the shipping cost until after you make the purchase online.

I would have passed on it if I would have known that at the time of order.

 

[wildcat3d]

I don't mind paying for good equipment. They both control.depth with hard stops. Looking for someone to convince me that the CPS is worth the extra money. Been posted all day, nobody even trying. Wow.

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself... ;-)

 

[6BRA]

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself... ;-)

If I knew there was an advantage other than looks, I would buy it. Provide evidence to convince me, yes that's what I am looking for.

 

[6BRA]

Before you spend big money on a a precision primer seater buy an Accuracy One precision primer gauge. It is a great tool that provides fast accurate measurement of primer pocket depth and the actual seated primer depth.
I use the RCBS bench tool with my own seating depth stop system. It basically does the same thing the Holland upgrade does. Theoretically, it should seat all the primers at the same depth. If I measure each primer depth when I seat 100 primers the best I am actually able to do is about +/- .001. I attribute this to the following
1. Even using a primer pocket uniformer the pocket depth can easily vary by .0005.
2. The primers themselves can vary in thickness.
3. Just a little dirt or debris in the pocket can cause a variation.
4. The primer cups are brass and as we all know brass can spring back when formed or crushed.
.001 is a very small measurement. There are many other sources of inaccuracy in reloading. I believe that it is when errors stack up that you create inaccurate rounds. I can hold seating depth to +/- .0005 but that's still not perfect. By the way Accuracy one also makes a great easy to use gauge for seating depth too.
After reloading for many years I try to get everything as accurate as possible within reason but what I definitely try to avoid is falling down expensive RABBIT HOLES.

I have the accuracy one seating depth guage..shoulder to ogive measurement, l love that tool. With the money I save, I can more than pay for the Accuracy one primer guage. My thoughts

 

[6BRA]

Definitely could be snake oil. Won't know until I test and I'm pretty satisfied with my groups with primers .002 past crush. With the cost of components it gonna take a back burner.. Before I bought the Hollands I measured the depth of the primers below the case head on a factory box of Hornady Precision Hunter and Nosler Trophy Grade. I don't recall the depth but every case had identacle primer depth. When I measured mine just seated from feel, not so much.

If I am understanding what you just said. You may have stated the difference. You are saying the CPS will adjust beyond bottoming out. You can seat beyond crush. You can crush more than the RCBS unit....am I understanding ?

 

[rijndael]

Combined, it’s $35 to $40 more than the listed price.

I just checked my receipt. It was an extra $42.32 over the $170 for the CC and Shipping.

 

[6BRA]

If you buy the Holland, there is a credit card fee and shipping will be almost $30. Combined, it’s $35 to $40 more than the listed price. You don’t get to know about the shipping cost until after you make the purchase online.

I would have passed on it if I would have known that at the time of order.

I just checked my receipt. It was an extra $42.32 over the $170 for the CC and Shipping.

Mine was 37.88

 

[DHuffman]

Interesting thread....
There's always a group of people who feel it's someone else's responsibility to prove out high $ gear at their own expense then share the info freely so they and others can usually say some way that costs much less is better.

I'm not saying more money is always the answer but if you buy high $ gear and aren't happy with it from YOUR OWN experience you can usually resell it very quickly with a minimal loss.

 

[STS]

Just offering this as a thought stimulus. I’ve never seen any primer pocket uniformed that didn’t register the depth off the case head. And all of the priming tools register off of the forward surface of the extractor groove. Unless the rim thickness is a controlled dimension, none of the depth control priming tools give the level of precision that the user is seeking.

 

[6BRA]

Interesting thread....
There's always a group of people who feel it's someone else's responsibility to prove out high $ gear at their own expense then share the info freely so they and others can usually say some way that costs much less is better.

I'm not saying more money is always the answer but if you buy high $ gear and aren't happy with it from YOUR OWN experience you can usually resell it very quickly with a minimal loss.

Feel it is someone else's responsibility? Get real...I merely asked for opinions and definitive experience.....don't waste my time..move on.

 

[6BRA]

Just offering this as a thought stimulus. I’ve never seen any primer pocket uniformed that didn’t register the depth off the case head. And all of the priming tools register off of the forward surface of the extractor groove. Unless the rim thickness is a controlled dimension, none of the depth control priming tools give the level of precision that the user is seeking.

Rim thickness could vary by headstamping alone..and of course normal factory variance..pushing a primer into the brass requires it be held by extractor groove. Heavy stamp marks would increase thickness

 

[SKWERLZ]

It's more than 600, by the time you buy new shell holders. You will be into deeper than that. They can't keep them in stock is the funny thing.

Well if it’s really fast and effortless I could see why high volume rifle shooters like it regardless of it’s supposed accuracy advantage.

 

[6BRA]

Well if it’s really fast and effortless I could see why high volume rifle shooters like it regardless of it’s supposed accuracy advantage.

Barrel life averages 10 seconds, the RCBS is pretty quick

 

[6BRA]

Here is another thought I just had, if the CPS WILL CRUSH A PRIMER more than the RCBS unit, how does this come into play with loose primer pockets? Or being able to extend brass life because of loose primer pockets? Crushing a primer would force it in all directions correct?

 

[DHuffman]

Feel it is someone else's responsibility? Get real...I merely asked for opinions and definitive experience.....don't waste my time..move on.

Not sure where I singled you out???

Was referring to threads like this in general. There are people who really want to know and people who really just want to argue or say the way they're doing it is best and the new way that costs more is not as good as the old way.

Wasn't directed at you but more the pushback people get when they post in threads like this.