They do seem like they would be fun, but I enjoy the aroma of fresh burnt gunpowder first thing in the morning
Powder price increase
- Thread starter SeabeeKen
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you guys ever seen that thing. forgot the name of it. but no one buys gas for like 3 days, and the price will drastically drop. We should all go on strike. Go to all the other forums and say don't buy supplies from this day to this day or for an entire month, and just bring them to thier knees.
JEFFPPC
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Well, no reloading, very little cleaning. .05 per shot max with good pellets. At 25 yards no conditions ONCE you learn you can shoot groups in the zeros. At 50 yards outdoors with little or no wind you can shoot in th 1s or 2s.. They will teach you bench manners like nothing else.
I think we’re just gravy on top of the military contracts and they wouldn’t even care if we stopped.
Well not with that attitude lol. The military isnt buying every kind of powder they make though. reloaders make up a huge market.
jxb
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Wow the Vista sale won't even complete until later this year (assuming it's not blocked) and so many people whining. Have those same folks complained to their reps in congress that the sale may be bad for national security? likely not. Those that have, good on you for making yourselves heard. It's kinda like voting, you don't vote then you have no place complaining. It doesn't matter if you think your vote won't matter, it's about doing your part and voting. Same with this sale, don't like it, make yourself heard in DC and locally.
As for powder or anything else for that matter, the folks that buy at high prices is what drives it up for everyone. It's called supply and demand, you want the price low, stop buying every time someone farts a panic attack. Look at pickups, do you really think it costs them that much to make em? Of course not, but as long as people keep paying what they ask they will keep raising the price. They are looking for the price where people balk at it. Again, supply and demand folks. Once people quit panic buying and sales slough off, they will start discounting until sales are where they want them to be. So save your cash and buy when there's lots of what you want AND it's on sale. We had plenty of opportunities to do that last fall and through the Christmas sale (Hodgdon), if you didn't plan ahead and stock up the only person you can blame is the person you see in the mirror every morning.
As for powder or anything else for that matter, the folks that buy at high prices is what drives it up for everyone. It's called supply and demand, you want the price low, stop buying every time someone farts a panic attack. Look at pickups, do you really think it costs them that much to make em? Of course not, but as long as people keep paying what they ask they will keep raising the price. They are looking for the price where people balk at it. Again, supply and demand folks. Once people quit panic buying and sales slough off, they will start discounting until sales are where they want them to be. So save your cash and buy when there's lots of what you want AND it's on sale. We had plenty of opportunities to do that last fall and through the Christmas sale (Hodgdon), if you didn't plan ahead and stock up the only person you can blame is the person you see in the mirror every morning.
That's the situation in a nutshell. Anybody who thinks these prices will drop anytime soon if they delay buying components now is only fooling him or herself, and they'll just end up paying even more in the long run.
I don't want to alarm people people, but here's a BBC story that surprised even me (a confirmed pessimist) ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67935464
......... and people wonder where the powder and primers are going!
jxb
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Yeah my whole life I've heard the drama. Nukes, asteroid, tsunami, mega quakes, on and on.
I'm over 60 and nothing has changed. Could any one of these things happen of course, but should we live our lives going from one panic to the next? Not me, I'll be enjoying life and if something happens down the road I'll deal with it same as everything that came up in the past. We humans are here a blink of an eye in the grand scope of things, do you all really want to spend it fretting over everything that is said or done, or that may happen?
Besides, I'm of the mind that all this stuff is scripted and going to their grand plan. Think about it, the generation that's running all this stuff still believes there's nothing that builds the economy better than a good war or three. Why else do you think these current ones just dribble on, they are getting rid of old supplies and it provides a need for new ones. People dying is just a side effect to those that decide.
We're just along for the ride. It's like being out in cold nasty weather, you can dress for it and get through most anything, might even enjoy yourself or not and suffer through it.
100% correct, but you've drawn the wrong conclusions. Demand has risen enormously because it is led by governments and their militaries. And ... Anyone who believes the global security situation will improve anytime soon is living in fantasy land, so this demand won't reduce, likely the reverse.
Basic Economics 101 says in a free market, excess demand raises prices in the marketplace and in turn existing suppliers increase capacity and new suppliers enter the market creating an equilibrium, or even oversupply situation, and prices drop. BUT, explosives manufacture is anything but a free market as it is surrounded by a thicket of impenetrable barriers to entry, and even expansion (or the continued existence of grandfathered facilities) is hedged around with restrictions and risk. You do know that NO US manufacturer makes a single extruded rifle grade? Why, because your EPA has loaded it with so many health & safety rules that it might as well have banned the process outright. You in the US have ONE plant making rifle powders for the canister/handloader market and that makes ball-type powders only (because the process is inherently safer).
Until the 1960s / 70s, western governments had state explosive plants which were treated as strategic assets. they have ALL, each and every one been privatised and explosives/propellants manufacture left to the private sector, which is rightly risk-averse and doesn't invest in ruinously expensive extra capacity that might be needed maybe one day in the far future. As western governments also refuse to shell out any retainer payments for possible wartime contingencies, there is no spare capacity. These are the same governments that said 'We now live in a peaceful world post USSR and will never see war again, and we'll make massive peace dividend savings ........ and b*gg*r the removal of capacity and safety nets.'
To return to the US, here are the countries you get your extruded powders from:
Australia
Canada
Czech Republic
Finland
Switzerland
If Americans want to bellyache about paying world prices in an overstretched market, the answer is simple ....... Start making components yourselves. (...... and whatever you do, don't follow my country, the UK's, example as we make nothing here, and have governments that know the price of everything, but value of nothing!)
Oh my searcher, I only wish it were said in jest. 100% true. Just to really rub things in, we have joined you (the US forces) in providing merchant vessel security in the Red Sea, and Hey! Ho! we've recently spent £6Bbn in building two new large aircraft carriers which we were told were essential for power projection in faraway places where our trade could be threatened. Are they in the Red Sea or Mediterranean with a US carrier group? Hell No! One hasn't got any aircraft, and the one that has can't go anywhere because the Royal Navy is so strapped for manpower that we can't crew the essential auxiliary support ship.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...rs-not-ready-red-sea-navy-recruitment-crisis/
Anyway, we have these two large allegedly state of the art ships, but they were built without catapults to save money and so are restricted to VSTOL type aircraft. There are now mutterings about having to rebuild them with bolt on catapults to actually have any planes to fly off them.
Mark W
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Im actually thinking of selling a rifle or two in order to fund a higher end PCP purchase.
hoz53
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after ruminating a little on what scope to get for my springer, Im now thinking I should trade it in (sell) and get a PCP setup. Hopefully will always be able to burn a little powder though.
M60A3TTS
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I haven't had to buy anything since just before Covid, but I bought about 12 K of primers, and several 8lbs of 4064, BLC2, some 8133, lol, and Hybrid 100V, even some Vectan 8000. Got some bullets here and there, cases, some from here and other places. Holy Crap, started looking at powders, 60-70 bucks a lb???, I bought 8lbs of Tac, 3 years ago, because IMR 4064 was pushing close to 40 at the time. I saw Shooters world for 70 a lb. With the economy going the way it is, I don't know who they're going to sell this stuff to.
nakneker
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Just checked the Hodgdon website out of curiosity. Before Covid, Hodgdon was very reasonable in price, at the time Vihtavouri seemed like an option I wouldn’t consider because it was always the highest priced and by a good margin. Now, Vihtavouri seems like one of the most reasonable choices and the more I use it the more I gravitate to it. It’s available, consistent and performs at a high level. I have been slowly stocking up on many VV powders for large capacity, magnums, medium range rifle, small cartridges in rifle and pistol, in other words, across the board. VV has also done an excellent job in production….. I see less and less Hodgdon in my own future, to each their own…
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I’m sorry but it’s really no different than any buying decision. How do you prioritize the purchase compared to everything else you have to budget for? Do the math. Buy it or don’t. Complaining about prices really solves nothing. Sorry if that sounds crass but the whining threads are getting old. A couple months ago many powders were discounted and free Hazmat shipping offers were everywhere. I hardly heard a mention of it.
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Alex Wheeler
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Its sucks component prices are up. But the groceries and fuel hits much harder, at least for me Im not buying powder every week.
JEFFPPC
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I shoot a Diana54 in .22 a lot, it is a magnum Springer, supposedly hard on scopes. I have a Sightron STac 5x20 on it mounted in Burris Zee rings. The inserts absorb a lot of the vibration from the spring. The vibration from the spring is the scope killer, not the recoil. I rebuilt my TX200 last week after 15,000 shots. The spring in it compared to the spring in the Diana 54 is like seeing a .223 round beside a 300 Win Mag. At 25 yards the groups that make you smile are 5 shots in a hole, in the hole, inside a notebook paper reinforcement ring. With a PCP no learning curve as far as shooting the shot. You need air bottles, a souce for air or an expensive compressor. No electricity, no air. Out to 50 yards they are no more accurate than a Springer, some not as accurate. Top of the line Springer 600 to 750.00. Top line PCP 1800.00 to 6000.00 +. Big thing for me, the rifle and s tin of pellets is all I need.
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