Introducing a New long range bullet by Barts Bullets

[Dusty Stevens]

http://www.swage.com/ftp/rbt.pdf

Some info from corbin

 

[338 Mollett]

To whom ever get these Damn pictures off my screen !Now back to business.Boys,all this has become a gadget game.There is a great struggle for ultimate accuracy.This argument is within the individual as to how far he want's to go down the rabbit hole,in his respected discipline.That discipline of his choice has particular demands that are unique.Most of those demands for competition at higher levels are time and money.Now don't get scared the rules are the same if you are chasing women,bluegill,another car,yacht,or air plane!One cannot compete with a fellow that can go through 50 barrels till he finds the one he likes in any shooting game,other than sling now that's a game!Starting to love it ,sorry about my luck.But the moral of this story is if I shoot 85 as an average in golf then I want to shoot my blasted 85!If all I can shoot is 1" groups at 300 yds. then I want to shoot my blasted groups.Bart has given me the option to try another bullet to achieve that.Price that however you will,I know many guys that pay 20k a year to have a golf handicap of 20.And by the way Dusty and Bart are my neighbors thus I feel a little fellowship. Thank you! And Cheers ;D

 

[ShootDots]

http://www.swage.com/ftp/rbt.pdf

Some info from corbin

I just read it.. A very interesting read!

 

[ridgeway]

Would you happen to have shank and pressure ring measurements down to the tenth on these? And OAL?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

http://www.swage.com/ftp/rbt.pdf

Some info from corbin

I just read it.. A very interesting read!

Just wanted to make a change and be different. Made everybody in short range br want a bt over a flat base. Maybe a rebated base will help with barrel life and be a more consistent bullet.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I am a middleman. Im a barts bullets distributor. You might say im closer to the long range crowd and bart is a very busy man. The rebated base is there because i thought it was a good idea. Rebated bases are aerodynamically good and been around for a long time. They are way more work and you go thru buckets of punches that cost way more to make them. Im sure thats why you dont see them as often.

Rebate on the boat tail should change the direction of the pressure on the base of the bullet . Lapula says it gives you the effect of a flat base bullet. It will have a better seal on the bore. When the bullet exits the crown you will have less pressure ahead of the bullet. The pressure should be cleaner at the crown. They also talk about it being easer on the bore. Their is a PDF file you can pull up. Larry

Ok. That's the kind of stuff I was wondering about the entire time. Just wanted an explanation of the added precision designs that might pay off and why the cost for making them is higher. Thanks for the info.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Would you happen to have shank and pressure ring measurements down to the tenth on these? And OAL?

1.239 oal
.2430 shank
.2432 press ring

 

[ShootDots]

http://www.swage.com/ftp/rbt.pdf

Some info from corbin

I just read it.. A very interesting read!

Just wanted to make a change and be different. Made everybody in short range br want a bt over a flat base. Maybe a rebated base will help with barrel life and be a more consistent bullet.

At some point I would like to try them. But presently, I have 500 Berger 105 VLD's in stock and I have 1000 JLK's on the way. It may be some time before I get around to them. BUT rest assured I will get there sooner or later.

 

[savagedasher]

I hope they will shoot jumped .020 or more. I like my ES in the single Digit. Larry

 

[Caleb85]

Rebate on the boat tail should change the direction of the pressure on the base of the bullet . Lapula says it gives you the effect of a flat base bullet. It will have a better seal on the bore. When the bullet exits the crown you will have less pressure ahead of the bullet. The pressure should be cleaner at the crown. They also talk about it being easer on the bore. Their is a PDF file you can pull up. Larry

Thank you!! just may have to try some!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I hope they will shoot jumped .020 or more. I like my ES in the single Digit. Larry

They did for me.

 

[falconpilot]

Dusty..we'll give them proof soon..

 

[338 Mollett]

Dusty..we'll give them proof soon..

Jim you have to shoot round rocks! Not these. ;D

 

[BartsBullets]

Hi Fellas!

My name is Bart Sauter, and I am the owner of Bart's Custom Bullets. I had no idea that introducing a new bullet would invoke such strong emotions in some folks! Currently we make and sell 22s, 6MMs, and have just recently added 30 Caliber bullets. However these are focused on short range benchrest competitions.

As far as competition, I'm no stranger to what it takes to make a winning bullet or even a World Record breaking bullet. My bullets have broken over 30 world records in benchrest competition. I personally have broken five and currently hold two world records. I am also in the Benchrest Hall of Fame and the SE Region Hall of Fame. I say this not to blow my horn, but to show I have some legitimate credentials when it comes to making and shooting bullets. This may be my first venture into long range but, "it ain't my first rodeo!"

Why am I getting into long range bullets? The same reason why I started making 30 Caliber bullets. Shooters have been asking me to for years. The 30s have been out for a couple of months and have already won several matches.

It appears that the main concern with the long range bullets is price. I understand this. I try very hard to keep my prices down. I am usually well below my competitors prices, who make custom bullets. It's been over 5 years since I've raised my prices on bullets. So, I am keenly aware of pricing and the cost to shooters.

However, my intent is not to produce a good bullet, but a great bullet that exceeds my customers expectations. The time, energy, and cost of the components required to make these long range bullets are more than double that of my short range bullets. Berger and Sierra prices are a deal! But there is NO WAY for me to compete with their prices. I would further argue that if Berger had to pay the same price for components that I pay and made bullets to the standards that I am setting, their price would be a lot different. There's no flipping a switch and having a machine cranking out thousands of these an hour.

Now to the long range community: I am committed to making the best possible competition long range bullets on the market. Is this current bullet the best available? I can't say! But it's a damn good start. Time will tell as they get into the hands of more shooters. So far, all reports from those who have tried them has been very positive. No one has shot them that didn't wanted more.

I may have let Dusty introduce these a little soon. That's my fault. Bullets are out for testing as well as to determine BC. Most have gone to 600 yard shooters. Our orders just from those who have tested the bullets have been a bit overwhelming. Currently, I am getting ready for the Super Shoot. This is the largest short range benchrest competition in the world and its my favorite match of the year. So I won't be adding a lot to this post and maybe a little hard to reach in preparation for this match.


Thank you,

Bart
Bart's Custom Bullets

PS
For the record, I know the folks at Berger and Sierra very well. They are great people! I have a special fondness for Sierra bullets. If not for them several years back, I probably would have gone under for the lack of bullet jackets. God Bless Sierra bullets!

 

[nosualc]

Bart,

That may have been the best manufacturer's response I've seen here for a while. Well put.

You just tipped me into the "order now" camp.

-nosualc

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Hi Fellas!

My name is Bart Sauter, and I am the owner of Bart's Custom Bullets. I had no idea that introducing a new bullet would invoke such strong emotions in some folks! Currently we make and sell 22s, 6MMs, and have just recently added 30 Caliber bullets. However these are focused on short range benchrest competitions.

As far as competition, I'm no stranger to what it takes to make a winning bullet or even a World Record breaking bullet. My bullets have broken over 30 world records in benchrest competition. I personally have broken five and currently hold two world records. I am also in the Benchrest Hall of Fame and the SE Region Hall of Fame. I say this not to blow my horn, but to show I have some legitimate credentials when it comes to making and shooting bullets. This may be my first venture into long range but, "it ain't my first rodeo!"

Why am I getting into long range bullets? The same reason why I started making 30 Caliber bullets. Shooters have been asking me to for years. The 30s have been out for a couple of months and have already won several matches.

It appears that the main concern with the long range bullets is price. I understand this. I try very hard to keep my prices down. I am usually well below my competitors prices, who make custom bullets. It's been over 5 years since I've raised my prices on bullets. So, I am keenly aware of pricing and the cost to shooters.

However, my intent is not to produce a good bullet, but a great bullet that exceeds my customers expectations. The time, energy, and cost of the components required to make these long range bullets are more than double that of my short range bullets. Berger and Sierra prices are a deal! But there is NO WAY for me to compete with their prices. I would further argue that if Berger had to pay the same price for components that I pay and made bullets to the standards that I am setting, their price would be a lot different. There's no flipping a switch and having a machine cranking out thousands of these an hour.

Now to the long range community: I am committed to making the best possible competition long range bullets on the market. Is this current bullet the best available? I can't say! But it's a damn good start. Time will tell as they get into the hands of more shooters. So far, all reports from those who have tried them has been very positive. No one has shot them that didn't wanted more.

I may have let Dusty introduce these a little soon. That's my fault. Bullets are out for testing as well as to determine BC. Most have gone to 600 yard shooters. Our orders just from those who have tested the bullets have been a bit overwhelming. Currently, I am getting ready for the Super Shoot. This is the largest short range benchrest competition in the world and its my favorite match of the year. So I won't be adding a lot to this post and maybe a little hard to reach in preparation for this match.


Thank you,

Bart
Bart's Custom Bullets

PS
For the record, I know the folks at Berger and Sierra very well. They are great people! I have a special fondness for Sierra bullets. If not for them several years back, I probably would have gone under for the lack of bullet jackets. God Bless Sierra bullets!

Good enough explanation for me. Thanks for clearing things up. I may try some now. Thanks Bart

 

[Changeling]

Is there a really good close up of a single bullet with a simple ruler as reference? Looking at a bucket of bullets doesn't do much for me. 8)

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Let me know if theres any other help i can provide

 

[BOBC]

Im not sure yall have ever seen a bullet being made by hand, the thousands of dollars in dies that arent perfect, years of wait for those dies, making the perfect jacket from pure copper- all that effort so that you dont wait 6-8mo for bullets you still have to sort because they are made from 8 different dies.... Its a labor of love i assure you and its a wonder they dont cost $10ea. Anybody thats ever made a bullet will tell you its not a money making operation if theyre made to win.

Right on Dusty. Not the road to riches with match grade jackets at around $200 per thousand, and lead wire at close to $4.00 a pound and the bullet maker through no fault of his own, having to eats the cost of rejects made with those components. I've had jackets that gave me 9% rejects.

And I've been making bullets since 1954, so I do know what it takes to make bullets that are capable of going into the same hole.

I don't know about the other bullet makers, but it takes me 14 hours to make a thousand bullets. But to me its worth it when a shooter has the ability to put 10 of my bullets through a target @ 300 yds. and come up with a group you can completely cover with a dime.

Making handmade bullets is a labor of love and a commitment to excellence. A shooter is a damn fool if they think by making their own bullets will keep their shooting costs down.

I shot competition for over 30 years, but I used commercial bullets for practice and my own for matches. I kept two sets of zeros, one set when using commercial bullets for practice, and the other when using my own for matches.

I felt I needed every competitive edge that was available to me.

Ferris Pindell once said to me, " Bob I'd rather take a good beating, than make bullets."

 

[Dusty Stevens]

If you want good ones thats the key Bob. Glad nobody charges what a corporate beancounter would come up with.