Introducing a New long range bullet by Barts Bullets

[mshelton]

Leadslinger, I hear Remington is running a special on Corelokt bullets, a real bargain basement deal, perhaps you should stick to shooting those.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Incase some of you dont know barts bullets is no stranger to winning. Check any short range 100-200 match report from the last 15+ yrs. they are made in a shop less than 500ft2 by hand. Bart is no stranger to making the best bullet in the world and this new bullet is no different. Time will tell if he will own the long range market as he does the short range market. Sorry we didnt send bullets to everybody to try out thats why theres an offer of 100ct boxes. Like any other barts bullet just send em on back to me if you dont like em. Havent had to buy one back yet but i sure will start.

 

[jrm850]

Not trying to be a jerk, but what type of match do you plan to win with 1"groups at 300 yards?
I have a sporter type "hunting" rifle (8 or 9 lbs) that will print groups UNDER an inch at 300 yards with Berger VLD's while shooting from the ground using a Harris bipod. This post proves nothing...

The last highlighted part of the post kinda slams the gavel in my decision for trying them.

I'll leave it alone on this final post. I hope those of you who do try them find exceptional accuracy that is worth the money spent. Take care.

The X ring for 300yd F Class is 1.4". I've shot it many times using an open Dasher but have never ended a match with a 1" group. I feel so inferior.

 

[ShootDots]

I for one am glad there is a new bullet on the market! Competition will always do 2 things: Force a better product to be made and eventually keep pricing in line or possibly even go down.. Time will tell if these bullets are as good or better than the ones we commonly know on the market. Let's give them a chance!

 

[jrm850]

My only fear is that I fall in love with them and then they become more rare than unicorn turds. They look sexy!

 

[nosualc]

A Berger 105 hybrid goes for around $.36 per. Barts is asking $.55 per. A 35% premium.

If that's too much for you, then don't buy them.

If they shoot as well, and are as consistent as advertised, I'll give em a try.

-nosualc

 

[Tim Singleton]

Just finished testing and two barrels from two different rifles like them.Demand what you want,but when the bullets hold one inch at 300yds I'm happy.Good product Bart gonna win some matches with them.Didn't have time to do a BC test today but it's coming.The bullets are a little longer than a sierra at the same weight,the meplat is bigger than Berger's or Sierra bullets which tells me there is room for improvement in pointing them,that I feel should be left up to the shooter.

Not trying to be a jerk, but what type of match do you plan to win with 1"groups at 300 yards?
I have a sporter type "hunting" rifle (8 or 9 lbs) that will print groups UNDER an inch at 300 yards with Berger VLD's while shooting from the ground using a Harris bipod. This post proves nothing...

The last highlighted part of the post kinda slams the gavel in my decision for trying them.

I'll leave it alone on this final post. I hope those of you who do try them find exceptional accuracy that is worth the money spent. Take care.

I was going to stay away from this But.
It wouldn't matter if you left it alone or not. Your post above tells anyone who actually shoots competion how much value to place on your opinion.

 

[Hoier]

I don't get why guys have to get on these threads and complain about the price, if you don't like it don't buy them and don't bust their balls. Also don't tell everybody how high priced they are, no need to bash a company for their product. And if you don't know Bart's are good, you probably shouldn't be talking bad about them.

 

[Joe Salt]

Hoier a lot of us don't work anymore and I'm not about to go get a part time job to support my habit! Like I said in my other post, thats why we can't get younger people to compete, they don't have the money. Jobs are scarce, good jobs that is. Think of how much it would cost to get into this sport starting from scratch. Someone must have the numbers, they do for everything else. THOUSANDS!

Joe Salt

 

[Hoier]

Joe, I am a younger guy in the game(Benchrest anyways) Alex is also younger. But benchrest is outrageous expensive. But that also doesn't mean guys need to get on a thread like this and complain how expensive his bullets are. He could've just read it and moved on instead of bashing Bart's prices.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Hey fellas, lets not start blowing this out of context. I never said anything about someone being able to afford them or not. The OP came on here with this topic trying to sell us his new bullets. All I'm asking is for him to prove to me that, at nearly twice the price, they are better than the current bullets that consistently break world records. But he can't.

If someone comes into your home or business (or in this case a forum) trying to sell you a product that they claim does a better job than a very similar product you already have, you start to ask questions. First you ask, how is it better? Second you tell them, show me how it's better. Third you ask, how much does it cost?

If it is better, you may not mind paying a higher price for the improvement. If it isn't much better, or could POSSIBLY be better, you may consider buying it if the price is similar or less than what it would cost to replace what you already have. BUT, if they have NO way of proving that it's better, and they are asking WAY more money for a product that may or may not be better, do you just blindly pay the money and hope for the best? I wouldn't. That's all I'm saying.

Now if you want to discuss affordability.
The unfortunate side of this for new shooters with low income would be that if these new bullets do prove to be much better than the Berger and Sierra offerings, and they become a necessity for winning, the cost will indeed limit the amount of new people wanting to test the waters of competition shooting.

 

[dmoran]

.......... The OP came on here with this topic trying to sell us his new bullets. All I'm asking is for him to prove to me that, at nearly twice the price, they are better than the current bullets that consistently break world records. But he can't. ........

Ledd Slinger -

What new bullet to ever come out was already proven to be better then the competitions or record holders?
None by Berger or Sierra that I'm aware of. They indeed both made bullets that proved out after the fact, but not ahead of time (that I am aware of) like your insinuating.

Bart's Bullets is a proven custom bullet manufacturer who is releasing a new bullet. That is all the proof you have of at this time.
No different then Berger when they released the Hybrid and or Target VLD's.
The customers who buy and try them are the proof to how they will stake up.

It's obvious you don't like the prices, and that's cool, your right, and your opinion. The rest of what your stating is rubric to discredit, with comparisons that are like comparing apples to banana's - IMO

Donovan

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Yeah but the Hybrid and Target VLD were almost identical in price to the original VLD (Hunting). So people willingly bought them up in hopes of better performance. And guess which bullet holds the current world record for the smallest 10 shot 1K group recorded at any sanctioned competition in history? The Berger 105gr Hybrid...

Not Spencer bullets, not JLK bullets, or any other custom hand made bullet. So how do you think that makes me feel about custom bullets? Especially when priced so high? Not saying that a custom bullet can't beat that group, but they better hit the proving grounds hard to convince me otherwise.

 

[kyreloader]

To the original poster: why the decision to go with the rebated BT design? What advantages does that design possess versus current design? What is the recommended twist, will you give any bullet dimensions (length, BT degrees, shank diameter, metplat diameter, etc.)?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

 

[ShootDots]

To the original poster: why the decision to go with the rebated BT design? What advantages does that design possess versus current design? What is the recommended twist, will you give any bullet dimensions (length, BT degrees, shank diameter, metplat diameter, etc.)?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

I don't know why the rebated B/T, however, it is the same design as the 7MM 180 gr. OTM Scenar.. There must be something to it as Lapua believes it is necessary, and they make phenomenal bullets. I wish I knew the reason behind the design too..

 

[Caleb85]

I'm not familiar with rebated base bullets, what's the advantages? Sorry if it was a dumb question. :

Im sure glad I am gaining information, instead of reading a pissing match!

 

[stansrifles]

Mr. Stevens are you the middleman in these sales of these bullets or can you buy these bullets straight from Bart
Stan

 

[savagedasher]

Rebate on the boat tail should change the direction of the pressure on the base of the bullet . Lapula says it gives you the effect of a flat base bullet. It will have a better seal on the bore. When the bullet exits the crown you will have less pressure ahead of the bullet. The pressure should be cleaner at the crown. They also talk about it being easer on the bore. Their is a PDF file you can pull up. Larry

 

[ShootDots]

Rebate on the boat tail should change the direction of the pressure on the base of the bullet . Lapula says it gives you the effect of a flat base bullet. It will have a better seal on the bore. When the bullet exits the crown you will have less pressure ahead of the bullet. The pressure should be cleaner at the crown. They also talk about it being easer on the bore. Their is a PDF file you can pull up. Larry

Thanks Larry, I appreciate it!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I am a middleman. Im a barts bullets distributor. You might say im closer to the long range crowd and bart is a very busy man. The rebated base is there because i thought it was a good idea. Rebated bases are aerodynamically good and been around for a long time. They are way more work and you go thru buckets of punches that cost way more to make them. Im sure thats why you dont see them as often.