Here’s how the Red Flag scenario will happen.

[Raythemanroe]

Texas10 is taking about coming across the guy like that in public. There’d be moments or more where you don’t know if this guy is an “auditor” or worse, a copycat calming everyone down, by posing as an auditor.

I agree, did you see my post on Open Carry? You also become a target for an actual shooter.. Concealed carry is smarter and better for everyone..

Ray

 

[rammac]

C’mon now. The “left” isn’t why someone could be alarmed or “terrified”. A potential copycat bullet sprayer is the reason why. A 2A “auditor” strapped with a semi and mags who is testing responses right after mass shooting, who also literally looks like he wants to appear to be a “copycat” (young, white, same store chain) is tone deaf. I don’t know that he should be charged with a crime as happened, but he’s definitely on the road to getting new policy and signage posted at all retailers - and that hurts us all.

Like most people you missed my point.

I was actually trying to say that trolls abound in these kinds of online arguments. There are trolls that implant themselves in to these kinds of forums who subtly push a progressive agenda. They use catch phrases and words that influence thoughts and opinions (propaganda).

I assume that you are referring to someone that was arrested for open carrying, I don't know anything about whatever event you were referring to - besides, I couldn't really follow your post since it was so poorly written. But I have to wonder about a person's ability to reason when you say that someone should be punished for what he "appears" to be. I believe that the Civil Rights Act came about specifically to stop this kind of irrational thinking. This country's original Justice System was grounded on the idea that laws should punish the damaging ACTS of a person, not preemptively punish a person for what a someone THINKS that a person MIGHT do. This progressive thinking is based on the idea that we can somehow CONTROL the thoughts and actions of others through the threat of force. It's arbitrary, random, and unjust - it is exactly what has created the Red Flag laws.

Regardless, if you think that progressive thought isn't something to be alarmed about then you obviously are part of the problem.

 

[rammac]

I agree, did you see my post on Open Carry? You also become a target for an actual shooter.. Concealed carry is smarter and better for everyone..

Ray

So if what you are saying is true then why don't we see cops being shot at all the time, and don't tell me that they are because that's not true. Why do we see bad guys go after old people, or young people, or people that don't seem to be able to defend themselves? If they target people with guns then why don't we see more victims of assaults carrying firearms?

Personally I think that the old school argument that open carry makes you a target is more left wing propaganda that was created to help divide gun owners. I have never seen any statistical proof that open carry makes you a target of bad guys, if you show a study like that I'd be happy to read it.

 

[davidjoe]

I saw it. We have open carry here in Texas. Could, but don’t utilize it daily. Open carry of something like an AR, which I basically never see, but has been legal prior to CHL, would become more pressing or alarming (to eyeball) in small paces, around large groups, or when such a person would enter even a large building, who could then stop and control the exit, because that means I’m now watching only this guy. (If you aren’t watching, then you aren’t in a position to help should that be needed). It would also be odd to be sitting in a doctor office waiting area, for example, looking eye to eye at a stranger 6 feet away with an AR resting on his belly, but as long as he doesn’t cough on me.

 

[rammac]

I saw it. We have open carry here in Texas. Could, but don’t utilize it daily. Open carry of something like an AR, which I basically never see, would become more pressing or alarming in small paces, around large groups, or when such a person would enter even a large building, who could then stop and control the exit, because that means I’m now watching only this guy. It would also be odd to be in a doctor office waiting area for example looking eye to eye at a stranger 6 feet away with an AR resting on his belly. But it hasn’t been a problem so far.

I see it all the time, I live in Montana and we have open carry, what's more, we have people that live in very rural settings so they carry for self protection against bears, mountain lions, moose, etc. so quite often they go to town without removing their firearm. On top of that I work in a store at a gun counter so my exposure to the average gun carrying person is probably higher than most people and yet, while I do stay alert, I'm not wetting my pants every time I see a gun. And here's the interesting part, not a single person I've seen carrying openly has ever been shot by a bad guy. And yes, we get bad people pretty often, mostly shoplifters but quite a lot of them are high when they steal from us so I'd expect them to be more violent than most bad guys but they sure don't seem to be killing anybody that open carries, in fact, they tend to avoid our gun counter customers and steal from the clothing and construction isles in the store.

 

[davidjoe]

Like most people you missed my point.

I was actually trying to say that trolls abound in these kinds of online arguments. There are trolls that implant themselves in to these kinds of forums who subtly push a progressive agenda. They use catch phrases and words that influence thoughts and opinions (propaganda).

I assume that you are referring to someone that was arrested for open carrying, I don't know anything about whatever event you were referring to - besides, I couldn't really follow your post since it was so poorly written. But I have to wonder about a person's ability to reason when you say that someone should be punished for what he "appears" to be. I believe that the Civil Rights Act came about specifically to stop this kind of irrational thinking. This country's original Justice System was grounded on the idea that laws should punish the damaging ACTS of a person, not preemptively punish a person for what a someone THINKS that a person MIGHT do. This progressive thinking is based on the idea that we can somehow CONTROL the thoughts and actions of others through the threat of force. It's arbitrary, random, and unjust - it is exactly what has created the Red Flag laws.

Regardless, if you think that progressive thought isn't something to be alarmed about then you obviously are part of the problem.

Put your name and picture on posts before suggesting I may be forum “implant.” 2A as they come. If you’re in Bozeman there’s a good chance I bought a collectible rifle a couple years ago from your boss.

You said that the “Left” is the reason why a shopper in a store would be alarmed to see a AR geared-up potential copycat shooter right after a mass shooting. You can’t put that natural reaction someone talks about on the positions of the “left”.

 

[Raythemanroe]

So if what you are saying is true then why don't we see cops being shot at all the time, and don't tell me that they are because that's not true. Why do we see bad guys go after old people, or young people, or people that don't seem to be able to defend themselves? If they target people with guns then why don't we see more victims of assaults carrying firearms?

Personally I think that the old school argument that open carry makes you a target is more left wing propaganda that was created to help divide gun owners. I have never seen any statistical proof that open carry makes you a target of bad guys, if you show a study like that I'd be happy to read it.

How do you turn what I said into something it's not.?. Of course these cowardly shooters choose gun free zones and defenseless victims.. I don't understand why you would think that a officer/Open carry wouldn't be a target.. They are cowardly, they would ambush a threat first because they wouldn't want to get shot.. The logic doesn't seem that hard to follow.. Sure maybe the threat of armed victims could change their cowardly minds but it most likely would put a target on your back for some suicidal crazy..

Ray

 

[garandman]

Regardless, if you think that progressive thought isn't something to be alarmed about then you obviously are part of the problem.

Actually I think calling them "progressive's" is part of the problem.

Call them what they are. "marxist" or" anti-American" or" socialist" or "anti-Constitution "

Or"liars" or " haters of all mankind"

We need to stop pulling our punches.

 

[Raythemanroe]

I see it all the time, I live in Montana and we have open carry, what's more, we have people that live in very rural settings so they carry for self protection against bears, mountain lions, moose, etc. so quite often they go to town without removing their firearm. On top of that I work in a store at a gun counter so my exposure to the average gun carrying person is probably higher than most people and yet, while I do stay alert, I'm not wetting my pants every time I see a gun. And here's the interesting part, not a single person I've seen carrying openly has ever been shot by a bad guy. And yes, we get bad people pretty often, mostly shoplifters but quite a lot of them are high when they steal from us so I'd expect them to be more violent than most bad guys but they sure don't seem to be killing anybody that open carries, in fact, they tend to avoid our gun counter customers and steal from the clothing and construction isles in the store.

Have you seen someone not open carry be shot? These types of examples are not fruitful. You are most likely to fall to your death, have you even seen that? I mean even with someone wearing high heels? You understand that much of this is media BS right..

Ray

 

[J F Johannes]

Actually I think calling them "progressive's" is part of the problem.

Call them what they are. "marxist" or" anti-American" or" socialist" or "anti-Constitution "

Or"liars" or " haters of all mankind"

We need to stop pulling our punches.

You forgot communists

 

[JFrank]

So we got left wing tree hugging progressive against neo Nazi skin head s

 

[garandman]

You forgot communists

Marxist / commie... same game.

 

[JFrank]

Whatever happened to normal

 

[rwj]

Whatever happened to normal

Ha... not sure there ever was such a thing... but it’s constantly moving!

 

[J F Johannes]

Whatever happened to normal

 

[Trophied]

Do Bads usually seem to want to perpetrate their crimes when there is a distinct lack of law enforcement presence, so the premise of open carry being a target regarding law enforcement is a fallacy. Open carry by a citizen when a Do Bad wants to exact his toll is a totally different story. I don't subscribe to open carry, even though as a teenager going to and from our hunting areas we often had 22 sidearms on us and no one even raised and eyebrow. Yes, it was a smaller town, and a really different era. Remember, law enforcement is a REACTIONARY force, and their presence generally only occurs AFTER a crime has been committed, with the exception of regular beat cops, who do sometimes find themselves targets when they interrupt a crime in progress. If you think Do Bads do not want to do any harm to or eliminate ANY threat you are living in a fantasy world. We've always had Do Bads in this world. The difference is how they were once dealt with, and how they are now dealt with in our apathetic, sympathetic, and apologetic attitude that has prevailed. "But he was such a nice young man who wouldn't hurt anyone". Riiigghhttt!!!!!

 

[JFrank]

The neighbors always say
“ he was a quiet man”

 

[ckaberna]

Texas10 is taking about coming across the guy like that in public. There’d be moments or more where you don’t know if this guy is an “auditor” or worse, a copycat calming everyone down, by posing as an auditor.

Please elaborate on what exactly an “auditor” is.
Thanks

 

[300_whisper]

Please elaborate on what exactly an “auditor” is.
Thanks

A guy who walks around with his weapons visible seeing who’s going to infringe on the 2A. Technically, anyone who stops someone with a rifle and tells them to put it away is breaking a constitutional right. These guys who do that really push the limits. This video sums it up.

I’m all about 2A. I’m probably the most crazy on here about it, but I also respect people. I don’t want to turn someone off to firearms bc I’m walking around with my AR in the low ready lol!!

 

[rr2030]

I remember when we had open carry here. The OC guys decided to go to Sacramento and demonstrate their right to open carry. In less than a month the right was revoked. Nice going guys, now you cant have an exposed firearm in public.