Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[COLT45SA]

Hydrogen has as many downsides. One you need to fill to around 10,000 psig to have any range. Filling a vehicle with cryogenic level hydrogen might be fun. Nozzle freeze to your vehicle or you get frostbite and lose a digit. Maybe your vehicle comes with PPE to handle high pressure flammables.

But if you want to get rich, then startup a hydrogen extraction business. Requires 2x as much input energy as you get back but hey there is billions of money waiting for an entrepreneur. Doesn't have to really work, just like most large solar projects.

That's a bunch of milarkey~! Hydrogen can be produced by an "on-boad generator" as has been demonstrated numerous times in the past. Dr Stan Meyers is the most high profile example. The biggest "push-back" is coming from our government that would loose enormous amount of revenue in tax dollars now collected thru fuel taxes~!

 

[COLT45SA]

Darn Jeff, I have a reasonably clear conscious, and I drive my all electric Chevy Bolt EUV back and forth to work 6 days a week. That is a 92 mile round trip commute.

I kinda hope people continue to avoid Electric Cars. That will keep my cost per Kilowatt Hour down.

I agree with most of the arguments about the negatives. EV’s are great as a commuter car. Dirt cheap to drive, you never stop to “fill er up”, and it drives really well. But it is not for long trips, and you have to monitor exactly how many miles are left on a charge,

All of the other stuff, such as the human cost of mining materials, can be said of any commodity that is in demand. Those nice “sneakers” that we all find so comfortable are made by people in factories that get paid just enough to keep them healthy enough to make more sneakers. That can be said for just about any consumer item that would be cost prohibitive if not for borderline slave labor.

I agree 100% with those that say if everybody bought a EV, the Electric Grid would be severely overtaxed. But untill that day comes, I will drive mine and enjoy the convenience of it.

As my father used to say, "Oh, so it's hooray for me ant the hell with everyone else~!"

 

[xr650rRider]

That's a bunch of milarkey~! Hydrogen can be produced by an "on-boad generator" as has been demonstrated numerous times in the past. Dr Stan Meyers is the most high profile example. The biggest "push-back" is coming from our government that would loose enormous amount of revenue in tax dollars now collected thru fuel taxes~!

For one he wasn't a doctor and he lost a fraud case in 1996 for his device.

"Stanley Meyer's invention was later termed fraudulent after two investors to whom he had sold dealerships offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology sued him in 1996. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[2] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses[who?] in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis." The court found Meyer had committed "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000"

The basis for most of these on-board generators is they use electrical energy from the alternator being that it's free energy. Of course most high school students realize an alternator takes power from the engine and requires more input energy than what it produces. The electrolysis also requires more energy input that the heat value of the hydrogen it produces. Double whammy loss except to sucker some investors.

About 20 years ago, we had a service rep, who had rigged such a device on his van. He was absolutely convinced his fuel mileage had increased by 1 MPG, then 5 MPG later as much as 10 MPG. He'd be ready to fight somebody for saying otherwise. Common sense didn't factor into the equation. This went on for months. Finally the guys in his shop admitted that they'd been adding gasoline to his van. He quit.

 

[rr2030]

Finally the guys in his shop admitted that they'd been adding gasoline to his van. He quit.

My kind if guys !

 

[dcali]

All of the other stuff, such as the human cost of mining materials, can be said of any commodity that is in demand. Those nice “sneakers” that we all find so comfortable are made by people in factories that get paid just enough to keep them healthy enough to make more sneakers. That can be said for just about any consumer item that would be cost prohibitive if not for borderline slave labor.

Speaking of sneakers, I went to a Nike shoe factory in Vietnam a while ago (around the time they were being lambasted for poor working conditions). It wasn't awesome, but not as bad as I had anticipated. It reeked of melted plastic. Can't be good for you. But what stuck with me more than the working conditions is that the employees were forced through an airport like security line on the way out. Then it occurred to me that selling a pair of nikes on ebay now and then would dwarf their wages.

 

[Brians356]

Reagan said "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

Pretty much SOP now days

Uh, Reagan said that derisively about Democrats. In case anyone thinks he agreed.
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[Ledd Slinger]

 

[ChrisNZ]

Ahh, the analogy there escapes me. 0-60 times, what you see is what you get. I don't own any elec vehicles but my son's had a few Teslas including the 3 Performance model. If you've never been in one, you'd be astounded by the neck-snapping acceleration, anywhere, any time, any speed. It could easily take my 600hp AMG down if I wasn't prepared and had it in the rev range. I'd go so far as to say that in real world conditions, it is faster than 99.5% of vehicles. I can't imagine how fast an S Plad would be. Brutal would be appropriate.

Having said all that, I couldn't be bothered owning one as the charging timing inconvenience puts me off. He now has a diesel Toyota light truck as well as a Tesla Y so has plenty of options.

 

[M-61]

I kinda hope people continue to avoid Electric Cars. That will keep my cost per Kilowatt Hour down.

Yeah. I’m not buying one because I want to be sure to keep YOUR cost down
Fuckinunreal.

 

[M-61]

it is faster than 99.5% of vehicles

For one run. Line up again. You’ll be wondering where the power went.

 

[jimmymac]

I had a post that got removed by the admin because I opined that the people who want us to drive electric cars are the same ones who don’t want us to generate electricity with gas, coal or nuclear energy. I was informed that my post was off topic. Meanwhile, the same could be said for the majority of the posts in this thread. It’s not my sandbox, but seriously!?

 

[joshb]

Same old story with technology. Everybody rushes out to be the “new thing”, then someone invents something better. With the new solid state batteries and their longer ranges on the horizon, those “old” Teslas will be headed for the junkyard or getting refitted with better batteries. They’re “saving the planet” while ignoring the trash they leave behind. Typical.

 

[xr650rRider]

For one run. Line up again. You’ll be wondering where the power went.

No, the Tesla plaid can hot lap and it uses 3%-4% of charge per 1/4 mile run. Stock, low 9's at 150 mph thru the 1/4 mile. Strip some weight and they are in the 8's. No cool off time, make runs back to back. Now if your the only plaid at the track, you'll whip some tail. If 3 plaids show up, they all run the same time.

 

[Bill K]

I am just not sold on them yet, with all the recalls, cost of battery replacement, reports of how they will not hold up and would be totatlled out with even a minor fender bender.
Then the cautions, of late, saying don't park them inside garages, etc. due to fire hazard.
Not worth the cost or chance in my opinion, at this time.

 

[M-61]

No, the Tesla plaid can hot lap and it uses 3%-4% of charge per 1/4 mile run. Stock, low 9's at 150 mph thru the 1/4 mile. Strip some weight and they are in the 8's. No cool off time, make runs back to back. Now if your the only plaid at the track, you'll whip some tail. If 3 plaids show up, they all run the same time.

Ok. Not what I have seen many times at Lebanon Speedway in upstate NY.
Home track btw of Shirley Muldowny years ago. To this day an active track.

 

[Mudeat]

Vast majority of Ecars cost more to charge then ICE car fill-up.

Most EVs Cost More to Drive Than Their Gas-Powered Rivals: Study

Most electric vehicles cost more to charge than their gasoline-powered counterparts, according to a new study that highlights the need to consider real-world costs before making a buying decision.

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[xr650rRider]

Good video about hydrogen technology and it's limitations.

 

[M-61]

How’s that resale value working out?

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I had a post that got removed by the admin because I opined that the people who want us to drive electric cars are the same ones who don’t want us to generate electricity with gas, coal or nuclear energy. I was informed that my post was off topic. Meanwhile, the same could be said for the majority of the posts in this thread. It’s not my sandbox, but seriously!?

Lol! This ENTIRE thread is "off topic" for a shooting forum. I may not agree with everything about Elon Musk, but at least he fully supports the 1st amendment as every American should. I'll leave it at that

 

[wedgy]

I had a post that got removed by the admin because I opined that the people who want us to drive electric cars are the same ones who don’t want us to generate electricity with gas, coal or nuclear energy. I was informed that my post was off topic. Meanwhile, the same could be said for the majority of the posts in this thread. It’s not my sandbox, but seriously!?

Be sure to include "my neighbor loves his Tesla" at the end so it's on topic.