It's from a show about an actor who played an imaginary billionaire brilliant man and somehow they think the actor is that guy.
Electric Cars -- anyone own one?
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It's from a show about an actor who played an imaginary billionaire brilliant man and somehow they think the actor is that guy.
Just a few months ago I would have said, “Give that man a cold Budweiser “.
It just doesn’t mean the same now.
Brians356
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From Yahoo Finance this morning (emphasis added):
Tesla revealed cheaper priced versions of its higher-end Model S and Model X vehicles, with an interesting twist.
On its website, Tesla now lists a Model S “Standard Range," as well as a Model X “Standard Range” version as well. Both are $10,000 less than the regular models on the website.
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The logic behind launching EVs with less range: smaller battery size, in order to bring costs [and weight!] down. But as first reported by Electrek, this may not be the case
According to Electrek, after noticing the Standard Range vehicles weighed the same as the longer range regular vehicles (suggesting identical battery size), advisors at Tesla Service Centers confirmed that the new Standard Range Model S and Model X are indeed range locked via software. When asked if Tesla planned to unlock the additional range via subscription or one-time charge in the future, Electrek received inconsistent answers.
On the face of it, it seems Tesla is taking the margin hit at this time to sell a cheaper Model S and Model X, and may recoup some of these costs in the future via a paid software update.
Now I ask you: how sleazy is that? Building these artificially range-limited cars requires mining the same quantity of rare materials, and puts the same extra unnecessary 1000 lbs of vehicle weight on the road.
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Tesla revealed cheaper priced versions of its higher-end Model S and Model X vehicles, with an interesting twist.
On its website, Tesla now lists a Model S “Standard Range," as well as a Model X “Standard Range” version as well. Both are $10,000 less than the regular models on the website.
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The logic behind launching EVs with less range: smaller battery size, in order to bring costs [and weight!] down. But as first reported by Electrek, this may not be the case
According to Electrek, after noticing the Standard Range vehicles weighed the same as the longer range regular vehicles (suggesting identical battery size), advisors at Tesla Service Centers confirmed that the new Standard Range Model S and Model X are indeed range locked via software. When asked if Tesla planned to unlock the additional range via subscription or one-time charge in the future, Electrek received inconsistent answers.
On the face of it, it seems Tesla is taking the margin hit at this time to sell a cheaper Model S and Model X, and may recoup some of these costs in the future via a paid software update.
Now I ask you: how sleazy is that? Building these artificially range-limited cars requires mining the same quantity of rare materials, and puts the same extra unnecessary 1000 lbs of vehicle weight on the road.
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jackieschmidt
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I took my Chevy Bolt EUV in to the dealer to get the free check up within the first year of ownership they offer.
It just rolled over to 17,000 miles in 7 months of driving It 6 days a week, 92 miles a day.
They found no issues.
It just rolled over to 17,000 miles in 7 months of driving It 6 days a week, 92 miles a day.
They found no issues.
NorCalMikie
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Something was said about "free tows" for the new EVs till the NEW owners figured out how to" own their cars".
When the battery goes dead, can you walk to a "charging station" and get a can of volts??
The EVs have their place. Just ask Jackie.
When the battery goes dead, can you walk to a "charging station" and get a can of volts??
The EVs have their place. Just ask Jackie.
jackieschmidt
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The original title of this Thread is..,.,”electric cars,…..anyone own one”?Something was said about "free tows" for the new EVs till the NEW owners figured out how to" own their cars".
When the battery goes dead, can you walk to a "charging station" and get a can of volts??
The EVs have their place. Just ask Jackie.
I haven’t taken the time to go back and read every response, ,but besides myself, how many of the over 1300 responders, or others actually own an EV? And perhaps just as pertinent to the conversation, how many have an opinion based on the experience of ownership.
Your experience is valuable to understand how an EV can be very useful and economical.
Many of the posts in this thread remind me of cats and vacuum cleaners….
Jackie, if you go into most shops now days, the techs will have tool boxes containing cordless drills and impacts, wasn't long ago that you needed to manifold air lines all over shops for the tools. I have to believe that light vehicles will be following the same trend with a few hybrids to fill the gap once the battery technology develops.
Brians356
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None? And that says something in itself. Anyway, it might have been the Forum's shortest ever thread if we had more discipline. And where's the fun in that?
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Brians356
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The term refers to natural renewal, not human. There are new fossil fuels being created, but infinitesimally slowly on a human time scale and at human rate of consumption. With solar and wind, there are no finite repositories to be depleted over time - the sun shines and the wind blows constantly and forever somewhere (but not everywhere) on Earth. And there lies one fly in the ointment - variability and intermittency in any particular location (the other fly is very low power density.)
Water power is the one "renewable" that is largely steady and reliable, but in limited geographic locations. Nuclear power relies on a finite resource like Uranium, but is so efficient that the resource is consumed relatively slowly.
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Breeder reactors produce Plutonium in amounts that are slightly net-positive in energy potential.
I get your points, and they are good ones - thanks.
jackieschmidt
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^^^^^^^^
very well stated.
Of course as efficient, and clean in use as nuclear is, there is still the problem of disposal of the by product.
Being only a few steps from a battery charger makes a difference.
Fortunately I’d say very very few. Consequently here so far we have experienced the same number of brownouts.
To add to this my guess is there are very few individuals that have fired over one million rounds of ammunition. This in no way implies they can’t shoot quite well.
I don’t think it’s a requirement to actually own something that you realize it is a poorly conceived idea for this point in time.
When the USA is fully powered by nuclear energy and the cars battery system is much further developed that time may make it at least practical.
I wouldn’t hold my breath.
rwj
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The universe is powered by nuclear reactors (stars)… it’s probably a good idea to learn how to effectively interact with them.
dellet
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My first clearly stated I do not own an EV, but I do have some experience and have researched the extensively for some of my customers. I even commended to OP, for doing the research before purchase that most will not do. I always encourage people to do their own research, but point them in directions of what to look for.
You seem like the type of person that an EV is a good fit, but there are other factors involved where a good fit may still not be a good reason to own.
My talk has refined over the time this thread started, but it is essentially this
If you like the performance aspect a Tesla is hard to beat, it’s too early to know long term maintenance and true ownership cost, they will be high due to technology. What you save from not doing oil changes, will be lost when replacing tires. A new battery is a far higher cost than an engine, it’s all a simply a choice.
If you are buying an EV to save the planet, you’re mis guided. I use Tesla as an example because the data is available. The cost in water alone the extract the raw materials should be enough to turn people away, more than 35,000 gallons to make a battery. This is based on easily found numbers, 500,000 gallons to produce 1 ton of lithium, 136 pounds lithium per battery. The Thacker pass mine that is hoping to produce up to 10% of the industries lithium has openly stated they will use 1.7 billion gallons a year.
People have coexisted with oil wells for more than 100 years. No has has ever lived in a functioning strip mine, and rarely for years after shutting it down.
Research the deadliest cars ever made, and Tesla should be on the list. It is not on any I could find. More than twice as many people have died in vehicle fires in teslas than the Ford pinto, the Pinto outsold the Tesla before being recalled. The Pinto will be found on every list you can find.
It’s looking like there will be dry few collision repaired EV’s. The cost of the battery replacement require in most collisions causes the vehicle to be totaled by insurance.
Personally I don’t have a problem with the vehicles, only the way they are marketed and sold. It is all a complete lie. They are not for everyone or every location, yet everyone in every location will be eventually forced to drive one.
The facts above generally help people decide if they will purchase one or not. Then it’s a matter of doing the research on a vehicle that may fit the location and lifestyle. Not too many people driving them in northern Montana for a reason.
This all does not even touch on the supply grid that is currently non existent.
Again it’s just a choice, but it doesn’t take an owner to help people decide if it’s a good choice for them. I have been helping people make good choices in vehicle purchases for close to 40 years, yet in that time span have only owned 3.
I agree there are many emotional advice or warnings given, mine is not one of those.
Fission (nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons) and fusion (stars and thermonuclear weapons) are both nuclear reactions, true, but the similarity ends there. Physicists and engineers have been working on the controlled fusion puzzle for decades, but without much success. Once that is done, though, mankind's energy worries are over - a few gallons of water (hydrogen source) could power a major city for months. A long way to go, though.
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