Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[wboggs]

I've long thought that there shouldn't be any subsidies (rebates, whatever), meddling. There should be a voluntary industry association, to come up with simple stuff like plug standards. The electrical aspects should simply conform to reasonable safety standards for such gear and charging. And, IF it turns out the overall economics works sufficiently well to attract buyers because it's a better "mousetrap," then good for them.

But, pushing such things before they've been ironed out ... Well, I don't necessarily see disaster, but there are too many things dangling that could easily leave people holding a very big, very expensive "bag."

I believe there is already a major problem which is a "disaster" to many in the form of lost jobs in the energy sector, high inflation affecting all but the wealthy, and less money for our defense needs. The government plan is simple.
Tax all of us to reward the politically connected, woke supporters, and buy votes. Working for them so far.

 

[wedgy]

"It was very slow and the numbers got lower as the temperature dropped. Eventually, it stopped charging altogether."

Tesla owner says he had to cancel Christmas plans because car would not charge in freezing weather

Virginia radio personality Domenick Nati says he had to cancel Christmas plans because his Tesla S car would not charge when he plugged it in at multiple sites.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Dave Way]

I have an electric car. It uses a 12 bolt battery to start a V8 that burns fossil fuel. A true electric car is way, way out in my future, if ever. Lots of things to be worked out before I would consider them.

Dave.

 

[Brians356]

Christmas present (coal in the stocking?) to EV owners (and sellers) in Europe:

BERLIN—Rocketing electricity prices are increasing the cost of driving electric vehicles in Europe, in some cases making them more expensive to run than gas-powered models—a change that could threaten the continent’s electric transition. . .

Coming just as some governments are removing subsidies for EV buyers, this change could slow down EV sales, threaten the region’s greenhouse-gas emission targets, and make it hard for European car makers to recoup the high costs of their electric transition. . .

At the pricing peak, drivers of Tesla’s Model 3, the most efficient all-electric vehicle in the Environment Protection Agency’s fuel guide in the midsize-vehicle category, would pay €18.46 at a Tesla supercharger station in Europe for a charge sufficient to drive 100 miles.

By comparison, drivers in Germany would pay €18.31 for gasoline to drive the same distance in a Honda Civic 4-door, the equivalent combustion-engine model in the EPA’s ranking.

That baseline comparison assumes ideal conditions (no A/C or heater, which affect EV range severely.) And it will only get worse:

There is no relief in sight for EV users. In Germany, power prices have risen by a third from €0.33 per kWh in the first half of this year, according to Germany’s federal statistics office, and some power companies have announced prices will increase to more than €0.50 per kWh in January.
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[wboggs]

"It was very slow and the numbers got lower as the temperature dropped. Eventually, it stopped charging altogether."

https://www.foxbusinology/tesla-own...plans-car-would-not-charge-freezing-weather[/

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"It was very slow and the numbers got lower as the temperature dropped. Eventually, it stopped charging altogether."

Tesla owner says he had to cancel Christmas plans because car would not charge in freezing weather

Virginia radio personality Domenick Nati says he had to cancel Christmas plans because his Tesla S car would not charge when he plugged it in at multiple sites.

www.foxbusiness.com

Excellent post. I hope it is on national news. He might contact his two Democrat Senators; Mark Warner and Tim Kaine along with the Representive from his district via a public email and ask them for a solution.
Lacking a solution, maybe the MIT Physics Dept. could offer ideas.

 

[swimster]

If/when the power distribution company's have to start upgrading our power grid to handle the EV charging. Our Kwh charge will follow suit with Germany. This at least a 300% increase in your electric bill.

 

[Knotwild]

There are theories out there that suggest the whole "green" movement is designed to break us all. Every day I ask myself how the "elites" can be so stupid.

 

[rr2030]

There are theories out there that suggest the whole "green" movement is designed to break us all. Every day I ask myself how the "elites" can be so stupid.

Years ago I heard the saying "Green is the new Red" appears to be true.

 

[bsekf]

How many miles will your EV go in 0 to10 degree weather, if you can get it charged?

EV's will work but as already posted..... there are a lot of problems to solve first.

 

[M-61]

Well so far this winter many huge electric supply companies are calling for people to cut back on consumption. Even giants like ConEd in NY call for this which is most unusual in the winter. ( common in the summer every year, at which point they have their ‘brown outs’)
If the Government is hooked on electric cars….what then?

 

[wboggs]

There are theories out there that suggest the whole "green" movement is designed to break us all. Every day I ask myself how the "elites" can be so stupid.

There is some truth to that.
China is the largest fossil fuel consumer and building coal fired power stations as fast as they can. If we spend our money on green energy China has a hugh advantage in military spending and out military is under funded. Naturally, China is the largest polluter in the world.
Our elite do not live in the real world and many benefit finacially from political connections and wokeness.
The thing that surprises me that our population is so easily decieved and misled by the politicians.

 

[kneedtospeed]

Made my living driving tractor trailers, and flying corporate aircraft.
Im glad this BS wasn’t on the radar then!


Always Loved Burnin Fuel, racing motorcycles, cars, snowmobiles, boating….
Still do!

 

[Adam in WI]

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[GotRDid]

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Waiting for electric farm equipment that has to run under heavy loads around the clock during respective seasons. No interest in a million dollar combine that has to be transported to a charging station miles and miles away, so it can be charged overnight to run til lunch the next morning...if your lucky.
Electric...we're just not there yet overall.

 

[jackieschmidt]

In view of the vast majority of post, I am reluctant to report that I have been driving my Chevy Bolt EUV back and forth to work all week (90 miles) with no problems.
I plug it in to my level 2 charger when I get home, and I use the Chevy furnished trickle charger, which uses a standard 110 outlet, to top it off during the work day. It’s not necessary, but why not.

The total range is around 220 miles when topped off.

This thing is going to serve my purposes just fine as a commuter car.

 

[NorCalMikie]

This thing is going to serve my purposes just fine as a commuter car.

You thought it out and got it to work for YOUR needs. Can't get much better than that.

 

[bsekf]

Jackie, You are in Houston, so no cold weather problems. You have done some research, so how much does it really cost for the electricity? How many kw does it really use to keep the batteries charged?

I understand that in Germany the electricity rates have escalated to a point where charging costs nearly as much as fossil fuel for an ICE.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Jackie, You are in Houston, so no cold weather problems. You have done some research, so how much does it really cost for the electricity? How many kw does it really use to keep the batteries charged?

I understand that in Germany the electricity rates have escalated to a point where charging costs nearly as much as fossil fuel for an ICE.

When you buy a new EV, you get a sheet that figures the cost of amount of KW Hours it will use at the rate your Utility is charging per KW Hour. This is converted to an average cost of gasoline.

The cost of operating This particular EV is the equivalent of driving an ICE that gets 130 mpg in town and 115 mpg on the Hyway. You will notice it is backwards from an ICE, because when you are going slower in town or stopped, it is using less KW and is also regenerating more KW back into the Battery due to the constant letting off of the gas and braking. Any time you lift off the accelerator, the motor turns into a generator, feeding power back into the Battery.

It will take me a while to see how much my actual electric bill changes. My younger brother has been driving an EV for several years, and he says he hardly notices it.

But heck, just the convenience is noteworthy. It is nice not having to stop at gas stations or change oil.
But you do need to remember to plug it in, and always have enough juice to get home.

 

[TrxR]

I wouldn't mind trying a F150 EV but a car would be totally useless to me. A Rivian is also too small. Anything smaller than a Halfton is not much use to me.

I'm a little skeptical of the F150 lighting as I have read some reports of complete battery failure. It is a warranty issue but they are claiming that the dealers have no idea when a replacement can be had , it could be months or more.