NorCalMikie
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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?
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NorCalMikie
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We JOKE about the EVs but what it comes down to is, if it fits your needs that's what counts. LOTS of them on the road so they DO work for some folks.
Seen a few "real good looking rides" but dropping $50K to $75 K + for "looks" without considering the reliability OR the cost of a "replacement battery or fitting YOUR needs? LOTS to think about. Looking like Jackie got one to "fit his needs".
Still liking the idea of a "glass" 32 sedan EV if it would go more that 150 miles on a charge. Light weight that would "go like stink". Have to think about AC, heat, PS and P brakes. It's only money.
So far, dreaming hasn't cost me anything.
Seen a few "real good looking rides" but dropping $50K to $75 K + for "looks" without considering the reliability OR the cost of a "replacement battery or fitting YOUR needs? LOTS to think about. Looking like Jackie got one to "fit his needs".
Still liking the idea of a "glass" 32 sedan EV if it would go more that 150 miles on a charge. Light weight that would "go like stink". Have to think about AC, heat, PS and P brakes. It's only money.
So far, dreaming hasn't cost me anything.
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CharlieNC
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Folks have used electric golf cards inside retirement communities for years. The World Economic Forum is promoting, and gaining success in Europe, for fifteen minute communities where your home and everything you need is within that walking distance and you are not allowed to drive within that radius. Limited permits are available to drive outside that area a few days per month. The forum also states " in the future you will own nothing and you will be happy". Carry on Comrades!
NorCalMikie
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Brad lived in California and was a lifelong environmentalist. He was sick of the world; of Covid-19, Brexit, Russian belligerence, global warming, racial tensions, and the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy media headlines.
Brad drove his car into his garage and then sealed every doorway and window as best he could. He got back into his car and wound down all the windows, selected his favorite radio station, started the car and revved it to a slow idle.
Four days later, a worried neighbor peered through his garage window and saw him in the car. She notified the emergency services and they broke in, pulling Brad from the car. A little sip of water and, surprisingly, he was in perfect condition but his Tesla had a dead battery.
Brad is a registered California Democrat.
Brad drove his car into his garage and then sealed every doorway and window as best he could. He got back into his car and wound down all the windows, selected his favorite radio station, started the car and revved it to a slow idle.
Four days later, a worried neighbor peered through his garage window and saw him in the car. She notified the emergency services and they broke in, pulling Brad from the car. A little sip of water and, surprisingly, he was in perfect condition but his Tesla had a dead battery.
Brad is a registered California Democrat.
3Sigma
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Just a few points, not opinion, just facts and reality.
Cost are NOT going to drop. Battery cost rose last year (https://about.bnef.com/blog/increase-in-battery-prices-could-affect-ev-progress/), and a huge portion of EV cost is the battery. Add the significant issues of cold and hot ambient range degradation and the poor charging infrastructure (that's another topic), and adoption for those with a single vehicle won't move until real world range in 0F is 300 miles, charging 20% to 80% takes 10 minutes, AND it costs similar to a ICE vehicle with equal capabilities.
There will always be those whose lifestyle and requirements are met by the current options on the market. While not an insignificant amount, BEV will remain less than 10% of the market for quite some time (>10 years), regardless of what the government wants to happen. The physics and economics just don't work for more than that.
Cost are NOT going to drop. Battery cost rose last year (https://about.bnef.com/blog/increase-in-battery-prices-could-affect-ev-progress/), and a huge portion of EV cost is the battery. Add the significant issues of cold and hot ambient range degradation and the poor charging infrastructure (that's another topic), and adoption for those with a single vehicle won't move until real world range in 0F is 300 miles, charging 20% to 80% takes 10 minutes, AND it costs similar to a ICE vehicle with equal capabilities.
There will always be those whose lifestyle and requirements are met by the current options on the market. While not an insignificant amount, BEV will remain less than 10% of the market for quite some time (>10 years), regardless of what the government wants to happen. The physics and economics just don't work for more than that.
Here is a YouTube link on Dodge Ram's take on an electric truck, WOW!
Not for me. Check this out!!!!!!
insideevs.com
Watch This Severe Electric Car Fire And Explosion At A Charging Station
The video comes from May 8, 2020 and was recorded at a charging station in China where an electric car caught fire when being plugged into a charger
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Dusty Stevens
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By far the best electric version out there
Unless your home is fully solar and can support your car battery...you're only fooling yourself thinking you have an electric vehichle...the power into those batteries is still over 80% fossil fuels depending on the state you live in. maybe some nuclear in there too. the best part is the EV charging stations that run off of diesel generator. only a liberal could convince themselves that's actually helping the environment.
Also, Teslas are lame to drive, road noise is terrible, drives like a golf cart and will add at least 2-4 hours onto your 6-9 hour road trip (charge times). Ask me how I know...my wife wanted one and I couldn't say no...we sold it in 3 months. Good news was, some greenie paid us $12k more than we bought it for.
The Ford Lightning will be lucky to hit the dirt road from the suburbs pulling your familes camper...and then good luck finding a spot to charge for the drive home.
we'll be laughing at the EV trend in 50 years...maybe even cursing it for all of the lithium/cobalt mines that have cratered the planet to help push the "green" narrative.
Also, Teslas are lame to drive, road noise is terrible, drives like a golf cart and will add at least 2-4 hours onto your 6-9 hour road trip (charge times). Ask me how I know...my wife wanted one and I couldn't say no...we sold it in 3 months. Good news was, some greenie paid us $12k more than we bought it for.
The Ford Lightning will be lucky to hit the dirt road from the suburbs pulling your familes camper...and then good luck finding a spot to charge for the drive home.
we'll be laughing at the EV trend in 50 years...maybe even cursing it for all of the lithium/cobalt mines that have cratered the planet to help push the "green" narrative.
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That abomination of a truck will be the laughing stock of the Home Depot parking lot. And probably the only place it will go, because it's worthless for anything "truck" except hauling 2x4s
jackieschmidt
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Since I seem to be the only person on Accurateshooter.com that is actually driving a EV, I will give a little report.
In the weeks I have been driving it as my commuter car, I have no complaints.
In the weeks I have been driving it as my commuter car, I have no complaints.
rwj
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Great news and I hope it continues to be a good experience! Would you be so kind as to advise the total cost of ownership when you sell/trade the vehicle?
jackieschmidt
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rwj
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The costs to buy, operate, and maintain the vehicle less the sale/trade-in value.
jackieschmidt
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The car cost $38,100 drive out. This particular model is the top of the line in the Bolt EUV model.
The EPA rating, as related to actual dollar cost per mile as compared directly to a ICE, is the equivalent of driving a car that gets 115 and 130 mpg.
I will have to see what my house electric bill is after a while. Considering my house has 10 tons of air conditioning, I might not even notice it.
There is no oil to change, no radiator, no mufflers, catalytic converter, tailpipe, no stopping for gas, etc.
I have no idea what the trade value or sale value will be, every car depreciates. I really don’t worry about those things. It will probably out live me.
I view this car as more of a convenience. It gets me back and forth to my Business with the least amount of hassle. There is a lot to be said for that.
JEFFPPC
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Well, when they tell you to turn off your AC because the grid is overloaded how will that enter into the picture on a hot August day. Not picking on you Jackie but on the absurd idea of a mass influx of electric vehicles given our current political climate on producing domestic oil and coal plus the state of the electric grid. Our electric power in the main comes from fossil fuel. It's kinda like the Peta person who says don't shoot a deer it's cruel, but ok to buy chicken at the grocery store because they make it at the store. Just doesn't all add up.
jackieschmidt
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I agree.
I don’t make the rules. I am just taking advantage of what the situation is now.
3Sigma
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Thanks for the feedback. Your use case fits perfectly into the EV attribute set, and I bet it isn't your only vehicle.
Also, I think you'll notice the charging, especially in those 3 months we call winter, and you call "not hot and humid, just humid"
And pay not attention to the MPGe. It is marketing BS intended to make EVs look cost competitive (basically assumes 33.7 kW-hr of energy in a gallon of fuel and makes the conversion). It is a useless comparison.
dellet
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Over the years I have fine tuned my response to customers asking about Electrics and Hybrids, and it's pretty simple really.
Like any other vehicle it has to fit you, comfortable seats, able to reach all the controls, road noise, features, customer support. Will a week to get a replacement tire when you have a flat with no spare be an inconvenience?
Does it fit your needs. Driving range, can you fit 2 Costco carts full of crap in it? Haul 3 teenagers and hockey gear(figure 6-800 pounds) to the next town 100 miles away, without a current bush in between at 30 below?
Over the years I have seen plenty of poor vehicle choices made based on consumer reports and hype. People buy cars based on magazine articles that are no more than 6 page ads. The feel good buyer
The customer who tore a steering knuckle assembly off a Range Rover Evoque in a snow bank....I thought Rovers were built for off road?
The couple with a Nissan Sentra that wouldn't keep a set of tires more than 15,000 miles, no matter what was on it or how it was aligned. She was a big gal, when I finally met him, he was bigger. The two of them exceeded the max carrying capacity by about 20%. Did the alignment with them sitting in the car, problem solved, mostly.
It's pretty simple, a car is a car, no matter what makes it roll. If it fits you, your lifestyle and you can service and fuel it, it's just a choice.
If you're buying an EV, without considering all the above or are willing to compromise those basics, to save the world, your research is flawed.
It's not the change in technology that's the problem, it's that the change is being forced. Forced without a plan. The same folks that are leading the way in getting rid of fossil fuel powered vehicles, are also working on banning gas heat and appliances.
"Electric energy for the masses, clean, reliable and cheap".
That's not aging well.
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Like any other vehicle it has to fit you, comfortable seats, able to reach all the controls, road noise, features, customer support. Will a week to get a replacement tire when you have a flat with no spare be an inconvenience?
Does it fit your needs. Driving range, can you fit 2 Costco carts full of crap in it? Haul 3 teenagers and hockey gear(figure 6-800 pounds) to the next town 100 miles away, without a current bush in between at 30 below?
Over the years I have seen plenty of poor vehicle choices made based on consumer reports and hype. People buy cars based on magazine articles that are no more than 6 page ads. The feel good buyer
The customer who tore a steering knuckle assembly off a Range Rover Evoque in a snow bank....I thought Rovers were built for off road?
The couple with a Nissan Sentra that wouldn't keep a set of tires more than 15,000 miles, no matter what was on it or how it was aligned. She was a big gal, when I finally met him, he was bigger. The two of them exceeded the max carrying capacity by about 20%. Did the alignment with them sitting in the car, problem solved, mostly.
It's pretty simple, a car is a car, no matter what makes it roll. If it fits you, your lifestyle and you can service and fuel it, it's just a choice.
If you're buying an EV, without considering all the above or are willing to compromise those basics, to save the world, your research is flawed.
It's not the change in technology that's the problem, it's that the change is being forced. Forced without a plan. The same folks that are leading the way in getting rid of fossil fuel powered vehicles, are also working on banning gas heat and appliances.
"Electric energy for the masses, clean, reliable and cheap".
That's not aging well.
.
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