Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[Adam in WI]

Those charging stations aren't free to use, are they?

 

[300_whisper]

Those charging stations aren't free to use, are they?

no, don’t quote me on this but I think my brother is paying $8 for a 15 min super charge. When he plugs in at his house it’s $4.50.

Also, the car tells him when to plug in so he doesn’t charge every night.

 

[bsekf]

A reminder about the "greenie weenies", who are waging the CO2 war, they do not drive or buy any car. They live in the cities and have no need for a car, they have public transportation, paid for by our gas tax, and Uber. A bunch live in their parents' cellar.

This is a great thread, keep it coming.

 

[jghoghunter]

My brother just got the Tesla model 3. He likes it a lot. Very sterile looking car, very quiet, layout is insanely efficient. He had a Nissan Frontier but sold it due to gas being so high. He’s saving about $400 a month in gas at current prices. The only down side is that the car was $50k.

Also, no routine maintenance, and since he lives in Atlanta, there are charging stations every 20 feet. He normally plugs in at night though and 8 hours gets him 270 miles. He has a mode that shuts off charging at 80% so it doesn’t cycle the battery.

The car is very fast and agile. Very easy to drive. It feels like a sports car.

It sounds like 300 whisper's brother has made a good choice for his driving needs. Given the information above.
Going solely on the price of fuel, forget about the cost of the electricity. A $400 a month savings on fuel going towards paying the car off it will take 10.41 years to pay for the car. Will those batteries last 10.41 years? I'm not trying to be an ass I'm just asking a question because I do not know.

I know that Nissan frontier may last longer than 10 years. I have four vehicles the newest one is a 2005 with 220,000 miles on it and the oldest one is a 95 with 100,000 miles on it. There is a 98 with only 40,000 miles on it. Just how long do those batteries last if you don't run them that much?

 

[300_whisper]

It sounds like 300 whisper's brother has made a good choice for his driving needs. Given the information above.
Going solely on the price of fuel, forget about the cost of the electricity. A $400 a month savings on fuel going towards paying the car off it will take 10.41 years to pay for the car. Will those batteries last 10.41 years? I'm not trying to be an ass I'm just asking a question because I do not know.

quit being an ass!

Naw he just did it solely for money savings. He’s a weirdo and lives in Atlanta but commutes outside of Atlanta for work. He’s backwards from the rest of the Georgia working community.

I think the battery is scheduled for 300,000 miles or 10 years whichever comes first. Hes doubling up his car payment with the fuel savings so he should have it paid off in 40 months.

Hes not an environmental, hipster guy. He is in the GANG, deployed several times, likes guns, hunting, fishing. He just wanted to save money on gas and the car drives really nice.

Another guy I work with in my civilian job is a retired navy Nuke guy. He just bought a mustang Mach E?? That’s a bad, bad vehicle. It’s like a sexy Tesla. The only thing that sucks about it is its range. It’s like 220 miles and its $50k, the extended range 330 miles is $60k. He commutes 55 miles a day through a one lane country road so it makes sense for him. It’s gathering data on his driving habits so it can eventually drive for him.

 

[3Sigma]

If manufacturers would get their collective heads out of their ass and "standardize"
battery dimensions and contacts. A simple replacement pack, charged up would be swapped out on road trips. In a drive in mobile station or station. Never get out of your car, 10 minute swap, pro rate battery life. It's done in Asia, Ain't that hard. But this is Merica.

Batteries to an EV are what the engine is to a traditional ICE vehicle. They determine the performance capabilities of the power train (power, discharge rates, temperature limits, recharge rates, etc.).

The only way to significantly differentiate your powertrain from your competitors is via battery pack design. It is also the single most expensive component of the vehicle.

There is zero incentive to standardize on pack design. Hot swapping will never be a thing. I'm not giving my $30k battery pack to you for one of unknown history and capacity. If you are a fleet owner, sure, but not for the general public.

How Is This A Good Idea?: EV Battery Swapping

Swap this technological dead-end out for better batteries, improved superchargers and more universal EV charging standards

spectrum.ieee.org

 

[jghoghunter]

quit being an ass!

Naw he just did it solely for money savings. He’s a weirdo and lives in Atlanta but commutes outside of Atlanta for work. He’s backwards from the rest of the Georgia working community.

I think the battery is scheduled for 300,000 miles or 10 years whichever comes first. Hes doubling up his car payment with the fuel savings so he should have it paid off in 40 months.

Hes not an environmental, hipster guy. He is in the GANG, deployed several times, likes guns, hunting, fishing. He just wanted to save money on gas and the car drives really nice.

Another guy I work with in my civilian job is a retired navy Nuke guy. He just bought a mustang Mach E?? That’s a bad, bad vehicle. It’s like a sexy Tesla. The only thing that sucks about it is its range. It’s like 220 miles and its $50k, the extended range 330 miles is $60k. He commutes 55 miles a day through a one lane country road so it makes sense for him. It’s gathering data on his driving habits so it can eventually drive for him.

Thanks for the answers.
I've tried not being an ass it just never seems to last very long! So I've been told! Usually on a regular basis by my wife. She thinks she's funny.

 

[300_whisper]

Thanks for the answers.
I've tried not being an ass it just never seems to last very long! So I've been told! Usually on a regular basis by my wife. She thinks she's funny.

I’ve heard 10 years floating around but Tesla says it’s based off of 1500 battery cycles. So if you don’t reach that theoretically the car could last 30 years.

that’s the same concept as driving a car 5000 miles a year though. Lol

 

[muleman69]

My brother just got the Tesla model 3. He likes it a lot. Very sterile looking car, very quiet, layout is insanely efficient. He had a Nissan Frontier but sold it due to gas being so high. He’s saving about $400 a month in gas at current prices. The only down side is that the car was $50k.

Also, no routine maintenance, and since he lives in Atlanta, there are charging stations every 20 feet. He normally plugs in at night though and 8 hours gets him 270 miles. He has a mode that shuts off charging at 80% so it doesn’t cycle the battery.

The car is very fast and agile. Very easy to drive. It feels like a sports car.

Who makes Tesla , TELSA? Is it top of the line?

 

[muleman69]

no, don’t quote me on this but I think my brother is paying $8 for a 15 min super charge. When he plugs in at his house it’s $4.50.

Also, the car tells him when to plug in so he doesn’t charge every night.

So how many miles out of a super charge will he get?

 

[Surgeonwithagun]

I drive a Leaf as a commuter car. Great if you don't need long range driving. Got it as a lease return inexpensively. Charging is cheap at home. They (the dealers) try to get you to go for preventative maintenance but it is all "checks"...no routine replacements. The main thing to watch is battery life which slowly declines over time.

John

 

[300_whisper]

So how many miles out of a super charge will he get?

250 - 270 miles. Takes 15 mins to super charge. If he ignores the 80% and charges 100% he gets 330 miles.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

My brother just got the Tesla model 3. He likes it a lot. Very sterile looking car, very quiet, layout is insanely efficient. He had a Nissan Frontier but sold it due to gas being so high. He’s saving about $400 a month in gas at current prices. The only down side is that the car was $50k.

Also, no routine maintenance, and since he lives in Atlanta, there are charging stations every 20 feet. He normally plugs in at night though and 8 hours gets him 270 miles. He has a mode that shuts off charging at 80% so it doesn’t cycle the battery.

The car is very fast and agile. Very easy to drive. It feels like a sports car.

And his electric bill will increase $50-$100 month to charge the vehicle depending on how much driving he does and what his power company charges. It takes a lot of power to fully charge one of those cars from a low level.

Say he saves $4000 per year in due costs, then offset that by $1000 per year electric bill increase which leaves $3000 per year savings. Assuming he already had his last vehicle paid off, that $50k electric car won’t actually start saving him a dime until he drives it for 17-18 years.

Then add on the inconvenience of only a 270 mile range with very few charging stations anywhere other than your own home and it’s basically just a car to beat around town or commute back and forth to work with. Not such a wise investment when you look at it that way. But that’s how the greeny liberals lull ignorant people into believing what they say. They say on the Tesla website “You’ll save $4000 per year in fuel costs!”...But the truth is if a person has at least a 5th grade education to do the simple math, they will see there isn’t any savings for nearly two decades.

 

[300_whisper]

Yeah I guess. I don’t know, my bro wanted a Tesla and this is America so with the limited freedoms we still have he went out and bought a Tesla.

So if your math is correct and assuming my brother didn’t pass 5th grade, he still wanted to buy one. So he went and bought one. Kind of like wanting a new rifle and needing a rifle.

 

[300_whisper]

Also, a vehicle is never an investment. It’s a depreciating asset the moment you leave the lot. Minus the one off Ferrari’s and lambos that have limited runs. But I feel like the vast majority of forum members don’t have that problem of managing super cars.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I have not heard any credible reports of unlimited recharge 10 yr battery life. Environmentals are a big part of that. Heat cold. Not good.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

25000 miles a year, 300 miles per charge= 18 years to hit 1500 charges. No way to count on that long (age)of battery lifespan. More likely 1500(most partial decreasing range of battery) daily charge cycles- 4.2 years. Pay off car in 24-36 months, sell/trade. Or total recycling at battery death.

 

[jghoghunter]

25000 miles a year, 300 miles per charge= 18 years to hit 1500 charges. No way to count on that long (age)of battery lifespan. More likely 1500(most partial decreasing range of battery) daily charge cycles- 4.2 years. Pay off car in 24-36 months, sell/trade. Or total recycling at battery death.

Doing it this way you are in "car debt" the rest of your life. But most people are anyway because they have to have the latest and greatest.

 

[CarlGeorge]

And his electric bill will increase $50-$100 month to charge the vehicle depending on how much driving he does and what his power company charges. It takes a lot of power to fully charge one of those cars from a low level.

Agreed - it depends on amount driven and electricity cost in your area.

For me in CO driving 1,000 miles / month would increase my monthly bill by $20-$25.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

At some point road tax,surcharges would have to be assessed(because of loss gas tax). Than as electric demands rise and SUPPLY drops(brown outs and other interruptions occur) due to elimination of coal and natural gas generation, no nuclear plants added. Electrical rates sky rocket to reduce driving/demand.