Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[Intheshop]

Two buttons on our '22 Honda Accord hybrid console.... green is the,save the whales. Red is,kill them. In the kill them mode.... rolling on flat dry pavement at 30mph,when you stomp on the whale.....it spins up the front tires. Think it's broken in now with around 10k on the odometer. Getting mid 70's mpg frequently enough(green button mode,haha) that it makes me smile.

 

[Will Henry]

After a year and over 40,000 miles, the son is contemplating trading the Bolt in for a Hyundai Ionic SUV. Longer range, more power, better build quality. He likes the electric vehicle. I'm satisfied with gas for now. WH

 

[Knotwild]

1. Carbon is not an evil element - it's the component in the carbon cycle and is neccessary for plants to grow.
2. There are no studies I can find that address the amount of carbon sequestered in dumps.
3. Ev's do not contribute to reducing carbon levels. They still use petroleum based products such as plastic, steel and aluminum. And processing aluminum, steel, and lithium involve hydrocarbon use.
4. Ev's, wind farms, and solar farms are subsidized with tax money. That's the only way they are feasible.
5. Ev's will be capable of collecting gigabytes of data, charging can be regulated, and there's even talk of the power grid being programed to be able to drain the energy from your batteries during times of heavy demand.

So, if they cost us in taxes, cost us to buy them, if they are expensive to insure, and can be a fire hazard. If it serves no purpose and is supported by subsidies, where is our pay off/benefit? There is no real benefit to us and our sacrifice for the "cause" will be negated by the use of hydro carbons by China,, India, and Russia.

 

[rr2030]

After a year and over 40,000 miles, the son is contemplating trading the Bolt in for a Hyundai Ionic SUV. Longer range, more power, better build quality. He likes the electric vehicle. I'm satisfied with gas for now. WH

The Chevrolet Bolt is the best electric vehicle GM has to offer. I would own one.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

1. Carbon is not an evil element - it's the component in the carbon cycle and is neccessary for plants to grow.
2. There are no studies I can find that address the amount of carbon sequestered in dumps.
3. Ev's do not contribute to reducing carbon levels. They still use petroleum based products such as plastic, steel and aluminum. And processing aluminum, steel, and lithium involve hydrocarbon use.
4. Ev's, wind farms, and solar farms are subsidized with tax money. That's the only way they are feasible.
5. Ev's will be capable of collecting gigabytes of data, charging can be regulated, and there's even talk of the power grid being programed to be able to drain the energy from your batteries during times of heavy demand.

So, if they cost us in taxes, cost us to buy them, if they are expensive to insure, and can be a fire hazard. If it serves no purpose and is supported by subsidies, where is our pay off/benefit? There is no real benefit to us and our sacrifice for the "cause" will be negated by the use of hydro carbons by China,, India, and Russia.

The fire hazard is a real concern to me. Even if your smart enough to park it out away from your house, I still wouldn’t want to catch my and my neighbors places on fire. Wind farms are only here to support Obama and his congressional chronies, and the greed of land owners.

 

[Knotwild]

The fire hazard is a real concern to me. Even if your smart enough to park it out away from your house, I still wouldn’t want to catch my and my neighbors places on fire. Wind farms are only here to support Obama and his congressional chronies, and the greed of land owners.

I agree. Where I live we can get flooding during hurricane season and no power means no charging. It's really just a scheme to have us pay our money to control our lives even more.

 

[GotRDid]

The fire hazard is a real concern to me. Even if your smart enough to park it out away from your house, I still wouldn’t want to catch my and my neighbors places on fire. Wind farms are only here to support Obama and his congressional chronies, and the greed of land owners.

 

[Chris Edmondson]

We downsized to one vehicle when we retired. Missing the freedom offered by having two cars, we added an EV to the fleet. In addition to a gas-powered SUV, we now have a street legal golf cart, also know as a Smart 4two ED (Electric Drive). I'm not crazy about the ED nomenclature, I'll get used to it I guess .

In any event, this a strictly run around town errand and appointment ride. We get about 60 miles to the charge which is more than enough for the purpose we bought it for. Charging is done overnight in the garage, or at any of the free level 2 charges around here. If we pay for the electricity, every mile costs about 2.6 cents, that same mile in the SUV at $5.00/gallon (that's today's price) costs 27.8 cents.

Anyway, we couldn't buy a true street legal golf cart for what we paid for this goofy-looking thing; 2015 model year with 15k on the ODO for $10.5k out-the-door. Service history indicates the batteries were replaced under warranty a few years ago.

No regrets, so far .

 

[dgeesaman]

The Chevrolet Bolt is the best electric vehicle GM has to offer. I would own one.

My girlfriend bought a Bolt this spring and she really likes it.

The range is our concern- my cars are manual transmission, which she can’t drive and isn’t interested in learning. 99% of my driving is within 25 miles of home so my use profile fits an EV perfectly.

For longer trips this makes her car the two driver option and my taking my car leaves only me to drive the whole way. We almost took her car to the beach but we weren’t sure about chargers there and the town we were overnighted in only had a slow charger at a dealership a few miles from the hotel. So having to deal with charging would have created stress and become its own thing. I drove my car. When there are more chargers out there it will get better.

Toyota R&D has claimed they are close to having solid state batteries available and while such statements are generally crap, Toyota doesn’t mess around. Solid state will mean lighter cheaper and longer range. So I remain optimistic for the technology.

David

 

[D Coots]

 

[ebb]

I am going to get started on one of those as soon as amazon brings me some parts.

 

[David Milisock]

1. Carbon is not an evil element - it's the component in the carbon cycle and is neccessary for plants to grow.
2. There are no studies I can find that address the amount of carbon sequestered in dumps.
3. Ev's do not contribute to reducing carbon levels. They still use petroleum based products such as plastic, steel and aluminum. And processing aluminum, steel, and lithium involve hydrocarbon use.
4. Ev's, wind farms, and solar farms are subsidized with tax money. That's the only way they are feasible.
5. Ev's will be capable of collecting gigabytes of data, charging can be regulated, and there's even talk of the power grid being programed to be able to drain the energy from your batteries during times of heavy demand.

So, if they cost us in taxes, cost us to buy them, if they are expensive to insure, and can be a fire hazard. If it serves no purpose and is supported by subsidies, where is our pay off/benefit? There is no real benefit to us and our sacrifice for the "cause" will be negated by the use of hydro carbons by China,, India, and Russia.

I've been looking at adding 1 electric car but I'm leaning away. My neighbor has a volt and only use it for going to the city to work, 12 miles one way, over that he get concerned as twice he forgot and got caught without the ability to charge. I like 800 feet from him, our power is hydroelectric subsidized with coal. The electricity that car uses produces more carbon than a gas car.

As far as windmills go the local dairy has 2, if they runn all the time they only produce 1/3 the energy required for the dairy. They run a great deal but no more than 70%, having 8 of these monsters to power 1 dairy is BS.

 

[ronsatspokane]

1. Carbon is not an evil element - it's the component in the carbon cycle and is neccessary for plants to grow.
2. There are no studies I can find that address the amount of carbon sequestered in dumps.
3. Ev's do not contribute to reducing carbon levels. They still use petroleum based products such as plastic, steel and aluminum. And processing aluminum, steel, and lithium involve hydrocarbon use.
4. Ev's, wind farms, and solar farms are subsidized with tax money. That's the only way they are feasible.
5. Ev's will be capable of collecting gigabytes of data, charging can be regulated, and there's even talk of the power grid being programed to be able to drain the energy from your batteries during times of heavy demand.

So, if they cost us in taxes, cost us to buy them, if they are expensive to insure, and can be a fire hazard. If it serves no purpose and is supported by subsidies, where is our pay off/benefit? There is no real benefit to us and our sacrifice for the "cause" will be negated by the use of hydro carbons by China,, India, and Russia.

Funny how many carbon based lifeforms decry carbon as the most evil element in the world. Wonder how frequently they look in the mirror.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Funny how many carbon based lifeforms decry carbon as the most evil element in the world. Wonder how frequently they look in the mirror.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Funny how many carbon based lifeforms decry carbon as the most evil element in the world. Wonder how frequently they look in the mirror.

The carbon-unit infestation is to be removed from the Creator's planet.

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[GotRDid]

 

[M-61]

In this situation, @jackieschmidt is getting a good tax break and just paying a lump sum instead of at the pump.

In round numbers 19 cents a gallon fed tax and 20 cents Texas he pays the same as a person driving a gas car that gets around 55-60 mpg. Based on 30,000 miles a year.

Or about 500 gallons of gas

You can’t forget the fed tax

I don’t care what tax break he gets. Also not my business.
Your figures of 50-60 mpg is more than double reality, 30,000 miles per year is more than double the national average, and you gave a Texas based gasoline tax with no comparison to other states.
I did not work all these years to drive a version of a VW beetle without the reliability.
Freezing night, ice, rear window de- icer on with the defroster on the windshield. Wonder how far you’ve going?

 

[dellet]

I don’t care what tax break he gets. Also not my business.
Your figures of 50-60 mpg is more than double reality, 30,000 miles per year is more than double the national average, and you gave a Texas based gasoline tax with no comparison to other states.
I did not work all these years to drive a version of a VW beetle without the reliability.
Freezing night, ice, rear window de- icer on with the defroster on the windshield. Wonder how far you’ve going?

Maybe if you had read the post I quoted, my post would have made more sense. For clarity and to make it easy for you, here it is again.

That is correct. I got a notice that when my BOLT EUV comes up for inspection and registration in 2024, a $200 fee will be added to the cost of non payment of Hyway taxes because of non gasoline purchase.

I am on a pace to top 30,000 miles a year, (just rolled over 18,000), so that’s not such a big deal.

I certainly have no problem with this.

Since this is a word problem, you’ll need to read all the words to be able to understand the math.

The state of Texas, where @jackieschmidt lives will be imposing a $200 flat tax on electric vehicles as a road use tax, to compensate for gasoline taxes normally collected at the pump. If the total tax (state .20 & federal .184) per gallon in the state of Texas is roughly 40 cents per gallon, and Mr. Schmidt drives approximately 30,000 miles per year, please answer the following questions.

How many gallons of gas must be purchased to equal the $200 EV road use tax?
500 gallons

Based on the gallons of gas purchased above, how many gallons per mile would a gasoline powered vehicle need to average to pay the same $200 based on 30,000 miles driven per year?
60 mpg.

Bonus question.
If Mr Schmidt lived in New York, where the state taxes are roughly 38 cents per gallon, how many miles per gallon would his VW beetle need to average based on being driven 15,000 miles and the same $200 annual fee?
42 mpg

What if the fee doubled to $400 in the state of New York?
700 gallons of gas and 21 mpg

Average total fuel taxes by state, don’t forget to add the federal tax of 18.4 cents per gallon if you want to know total taxes paid per gallon.

How High are Gas Taxes in Your State?

California pumps out the highest state gas tax rate of 77.9 cents per gallon (cpg), followed by Illinois (66.5 cpg) and Pennsylvania (62.2 cpg).

taxfoundation.org

Since all 50 states and the federal government are considering a mileage based road tax to replace the current per gallon system, this should interest everyone who owns a vehicle. Without a doubt, any new system will be designed to generate more tax dollars than the current system. Instant inflation on all products moved by fuel or not, over the road.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Either pay me now or pay me later. No such thank as a FREE LUNCH unless you're eating at your Mom's house.

 

[M-61]

Maybe if you had read the post I quoted

Great start and a perfect end.
I struggle with that skill.

Not wishing to continue but… county tax. Excise tax……. Screw the sales tax that’s the least of it