Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[dellet]

Charging station profits will likely be similar to old school phone booths or even oil wells. Corporate installs them on your land and you get a percentage of revenue generated. All costs of install and maintenance are on the company.

Here is probably one of the better pieces on climate change and EV’s. Reasonably balanced. One point made is that it takes about 80-100,000 miles of driving an electric car to realize any real savings over fuel, based on cradle to grave costs.

 

[xr650rRider]

Still waiting to see the cost comparison between electricity from home plug in or charging station and gas at the pump.

Might have to do a little math. If you have a gasoline powered vehicle that gets 20 mpg and gasoline was $4.00/gal, you have $0.20/mile.

A lot of the EV chargers are $0.34/KWH. TFL on youtube drove a Ford Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska. At least for the California to Washington section, only driving around 60 mph, they averaged 1.7 miles/KWH, so that would be $0.20/mile. In 1000 miles, they stopped 10 times to charge.

For EV success, you need high fossil fuel prices and huge rebates paid by taxes on fossil fuels.

For home use a level 2 charger pulling 30 amps on 240 volt circuit would output 7.2KWH. If you had a 70KW battery (Ford lightning has a 130KW battery), it would take 10 hours to fully charge battery from 0. If you installed a 70 amp 240 volt charger, you could output 16.8 KWH and might charge your 70KW battery in 4 hours. Now imagine if everyone in your neighborhood fires up their chargers at night. Electric prices will quickly double again to pay for the infrastructure to support them. We'll all be paying $0.40/KWH.

 

[gdbleb]

I can't wait until this mass of new Teslas gets to be around 5 years old and the lithium batteries start losing their mojo and people "discover" its not a replaceable part. Its going to be class-action lawsuit city.

 

[Jr solocam]

I can't wait until this mass of new Teslas gets to be around 5 years old and the lithium batteries start losing their mojo and people "discover" its not a replaceable part. Its going to be class-action lawsuit city.

What he said. It will be an epic awakening.

 

[NorCalMikie]

UPSIDE YOUR HEAD!! But by then, it's TOO LATE.
And not too many folks I know will pop for an $75 to $80K Tesla.
That's more than I paid for my house 50+ years ago but it's worth a BUNCH $$$$ more now.

 

[xr650rRider]

UPSIDE YOUR HEAD!! But by then, it's TOO LATE.
And not too many folks I know will pop for an $75 to $80K Tesla.
That's more than I paid for my house 50+ years ago but it's worth a BUNCH $$$$ more now.

The Tesla Plaid goes for $160,000. But you can drive it to the race track and smoke all the Corvettes, Dodge Red Eye Demons, Hellcats, Mustangs, Lamborghinis, Mclarens, Bugattis 9.4 sec @ 150 mph for 1/4 mile. Uses 3-4% charge per run. Make 4 runs without long cool down. Then drive it home.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

I do vote, and my vote is just like everyone else's, one vote. Where I live I can't even trust the vote because the State encourages non-citizens to vote, in fact they reward them with free money and tell them they will not have to pay it back and can go ahead and cash it without fear of not being a citizen.

There are things that can't be changed, unfortunately. Take the Internet as an example, it suffers similar problems with restrictions on the freedoms. That was not the way it was intended, but it is the way it is going. the Internet is suffering from "TV syndrome" and it will destroy it in the end to greed.

I encourage everyone to vote, even if they do believe this left wing nutcase idealology, that is the way the system in America works...we can't control certain things, and if the left cheats, we can try to catch them but we can't stop them in all cases.

We're on good ground with the 2A, and hopefully getting back to our Constitution and how it was intended. Exciting times for the right to keep and bear arms in America in many moons...

Are you serious? Exciting times? Good ground? That’s amazing.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Are you serious? Exciting times? Good ground? That’s amazing.

I think the username checks out

 

[Brians356]

How "green" is the typical charge station, really?


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Notice which device is worth protecting with a fence?
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[NorCalMikie]

What exactly is it the Greenies don't understand?? The term "No Free Lunch" keeps coming to mind.
But I'am not burning gas. Reminds me of a box of rocks.

 

[GotRDid]

 

[GotRDid]

 

[NorCalMikie]

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Hope they brought their lunch cause they're gunna be there for a while.
But I'am NOT burning gas?? Guessing that generator runs on hot air OR pure stupidity.??
Notice the license plate? Foreign so, the rest of the world is as dumb as some of the the folks in the U.S.
And seems like I heard something about not enough charging stations in the U.K. because of all the EVs? That alone would put a crimp in your crumpets.

 

[gdbleb]

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I smell a franchise opportunity.

 

[dellet]

The state of Montana received 43 million dollars from the 1.2 Trillion dollar infrastructure bill passed last year. This is earmarked for establishing a network of charging station along the interstate corridors.

The initial idea is to place charging stations every 50 miles along the interstate. When you read the criteria for where the stations need to be placed, distance from the highway, walking distance to other amenities, if you have spent any time in Montana you realize that it is impossible.

What need to will happen is that farmers will put in a petting zoo with a hot dog stand, or tribes will put up a casino along the interstate every 50 miles.

Way to go .gov, how to ruin the whole frickin interior of the country in one easy stroke of the pen.

Montana seeks input on EV charging station plan

The state estimates there will be 130,000 electric vehicle drivers traveling on state roadways annually by 2030.

montanafreepress.org

 

[NorCalMikie]

The issue with ANY government involvement is, $$$ are set, allotted and MUST be spent. In the end, don't need that much $$$, still got to spend it.
The job that will cost $10K NOW costs $15K+?

Kinda like trying to develop a pen that would write in space? Funny that a #2 pencil worked like a champ. But I forget, those are Rocket Scientists.
Or a hammer for NASA cost HOW MUCH?? Local hardware store hammer worked as needed. DUH!!

 

[Brians356]

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Oh, and the waiting list is 6 to 12 months. New EV production takes priority, and all rare materials in the battery come from China.
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[Mudeat]

Might have to do a little math. If you have a gasoline powered vehicle that gets 20 mpg and gasoline was $4.00/gal, you have $0.20/mile.

A lot of the EV chargers are $0.34/KWH. TFL on youtube drove a Ford Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska. At least for the California to Washington section, only driving around 60 mph, they averaged 1.7 miles/KWH, so that would be $0.20/mile. In 1000 miles, they stopped 10 times to charge.

For EV success, you need high fossil fuel prices and huge rebates paid by taxes on fossil fuels.

For home use a level 2 charger pulling 30 amps on 240 volt circuit would output 7.2KWH. If you had a 70KW battery (Ford lightning has a 130KW battery), it would take 10 hours to fully charge battery from 0. If you installed a 70 amp 240 volt charger, you could output 16.8 KWH and might charge your 70KW battery in 4 hours. Now imagine if everyone in your neighborhood fires up their chargers at night. Electric prices will quickly double again to pay for the infrastructure to support them. We'll all be paying $0.40/KWH.

You need to check your units. Batterys are specified by energy capacity, which would be (power) X (time) or kilowatts times hours (kWH). Chargers are specified by power output which would be (kW). Also, you haven’t accounted for losses in charging and discharging. The energy delivered from the power outlet on the wall to the wheels is about 65% - the rest is a loss where batterys, chargers, motors get real hot charging, running and discharging. Remember the 2nd law of thermodynamics - there is always a loss converting form one form of energy to another.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Might have to do a little math. If you have a gasoline powered vehicle that gets 20 mpg and gasoline was $4.00/gal, you have $0.20/mile.

A lot of the EV chargers are $0.34/KWH. TFL on youtube drove a Ford Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska. At least for the California to Washington section, only driving around 60 mph, they averaged 1.7 miles/KWH, so that would be $0.20/mile. In 1000 miles, they stopped 10 times to charge.

For EV success, you need high fossil fuel prices and huge rebates paid by taxes on fossil fuels.

For home use a level 2 charger pulling 30 amps on 240 volt circuit would output 7.2KWH. If you had a 70KW battery (Ford lightning has a 130KW battery), it would take 10 hours to fully charge battery from 0. If you installed a 70 amp 240 volt charger, you could output 16.8 KWH and might charge your 70KW battery in 4 hours. Now imagine if everyone in your neighborhood fires up their chargers at night. Electric prices will quickly double again to pay for the infrastructure to support them. We'll all be paying $0.40/KWH.

Here is the thing. We are all looking at this incorrectly. Are the leftist governments and the zombies who support them pushing EV? Goes without saying, yes they are. Are the leftist governments, and of course the zombies who support them, forcing a transition to green energy? No such thing but for sake of argument they consider solar and wind to be green and are willing to shut everything else down including Hydro, Nuclear, Natural Gas and of course Coal. So again, yes they are. I worked in the power industry and the magic electrons generated from solar and wind will never come close to filling that gap in the lifetimes of even the youngest members of this forum. Many reasons for that not the least of which is inefficiency, unreliability and high cost. The science is not there and won't be for a long time.

The bottom line, they are using your tax dollars to increase demand for those magic electrons oblivious of where they come from while at the same time they are using your tax dollars once again to decrease supply of those magic electrons. The very definition of stupidity (or evil intent as I've discussed before). The question we all need to be asking is, how do we profit from their stupidity?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I'm considering grid tie solar system as an insurance policy against higher prices for those magic electrons, which is happening and will continue. According to sources I've seen, New York and California are are paying about 25 cents a kilowatt hour. Colorado and parts of Texas are 15 to 18 cents. Seattle and western Oregon 11-12 cents but those are among the lowest in the nation due to the abundance of Hydro. Rumor has it that they would be even lower but Seattle is selling power to CA and forcing their customers to pay higher prices associated with reduced supply. Here in eastern WA I'm in a pocket. Price per kilowatt hour I'm paying with a small coop is 6.8 cents. My break even would be around 15.8 cents. So how long will it take for me to break even? That is the question. But that is an insurance play, not a profit play.

What is the profit play? Charging stations charging 48 cents a kilowatt hour? Think about it and report back. Biden has 2.5 more years. He can destroy the economy in that time and in my experience if you bet on the stupidity (or evil intent) of leftist governments, you will win.

 

[ronsatspokane]

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Generators? A profit play?