Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[GotRDid]

Harley’s new EV finally road tested….

 

[Brians356]

Seattle and western Oregon 11-12 cents but those are among the lowest in the nation due to the abundance of Hydro. Rumor has it that they would be even lower but Seattle is selling power to CA and forcing their customers to pay higher prices associated with reduced supply. Here in eastern WA I'm in a pocket. Price per kilowatt hour I'm paying with a small coop is 6.8 cents.

Most idiot planet-savers and all fish-huggers in WA and ID want to tear out the 4 hydroelectric dams on the Lower Snake River.
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[xr650rRider]

You need to check your units. Batterys are specified by energy capacity, which would be (power) X (time) or kilowatts times hours (kWH). Chargers are specified by power output which would be (kW). Also, you haven’t accounted for losses in charging and discharging. The energy delivered from the power outlet on the wall to the wheels is about 65% - the rest is a loss where batterys, chargers, motors get real hot charging, running and discharging. Remember the 2nd law of thermodynamics - there is always a loss converting form one form of energy to another.

Your a little off. Your going to pay what the output of the charger is. Losses that occur in the vehicle, heating and cooling battery packs, efficiency losses etc. So your not going to utilize all you paid for but you are going to pay what leaves the charger. Some batteries do have an amp-hour rating but that's assuming a fixed load. In the instance of the Ford Lightning it is listed as a 131 KW battery. If you consume all 131 KW in 1 hour you have a 131 KWH battery. If you consume the capacity of the battery in 10 hours, it's still a 131 KW battery delivering 13.1 KWH for 10 hours. The TFL guys that drove the Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska posted another update and they had to drive no faster than 45 mph to get 220 mile range. They showed a level 2 charger in Alaska that was charging $0.60 per KWH. Those guys need a few physics and thermo classes, they were shocked that the regen going downhill didn't match power consumption going up hill. Looking for the perpetual motion machine.

 

[Brians356]

The TFL guys that drove the Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska posted another update and they had to drive no faster than 45 mph to get 220 mile range. They showed a level 2 charger in Alaska that was charging $0.60 per KWH. Those guys need a few physics and thermo classes, they were shocked that the regen going downhill didn't match power consumption going up hill. Looking for the perpetual motion machine.

Where can we read these posts from the TFL team?
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[xr650rRider]

Where can we read these posts from the TFL team?
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[ronsatspokane]

Most idiot planet-savers and all fish-huggers in WA and ID want to tear out the 4 hydroelectric dams on the Lower Snake River.
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Yup. That is exactly what they want. That is only the beginning.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Your a little off. Your going to pay what the output of the charger is. Losses that occur in the vehicle, heating and cooling battery packs, efficiency losses etc. So your not going to utilize all you paid for but you are going to pay what leaves the charger. Some batteries do have an amp-hour rating but that's assuming a fixed load. In the instance of the Ford Lightning it is listed as a 131 KW battery. If you consume all 131 KW in 1 hour you have a 131 KWH battery. If you consume the capacity of the battery in 10 hours, it's still a 131 KW battery delivering 13.1 KWH for 10 hours. The TFL guys that drove the Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska posted another update and they had to drive no faster than 45 mph to get 220 mile range. They showed a level 2 charger in Alaska that was charging $0.60 per KWH. Those guys need a few physics and thermo classes, they were shocked that the regen going downhill didn't match power consumption going up hill. Looking for the perpetual motion machine.

I found a leftist rendering of that perpetual motion machine.

 

[Brians356]

I found a leftist rendering of that perpetual motion machine. View attachment 1359627

Ha! But, not just any "Metal" - ferrous metal, like "Iron" would be better.
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[rijndael]

ferrous metal, like "Iron" would be better.
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But they'll use aluminum.

 

[xr650rRider]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I'm considering grid tie solar system as an insurance policy against higher prices for those magic electrons, which is happening and will continue. According to sources I've seen, New York and California are are paying about 25 cents a kilowatt hour. Colorado and parts of Texas are 15 to 18 cents. Seattle and western Oregon 11-12 cents but those are among the lowest in the nation due to the abundance of Hydro. Rumor has it that they would be even lower but Seattle is selling power to CA and forcing their customers to pay higher prices associated with reduced supply. Here in eastern WA I'm in a pocket. Price per kilowatt hour I'm paying with a small coop is 6.8 cents. My break even would be around 15.8 cents. So how long will it take for me to break even? That is the question. But that is an insurance play, not a profit play.

What is the profit play? Charging stations charging 48 cents a kilowatt hour? Think about it and report back. Biden has 2.5 more years. He can destroy the economy in that time and in my experience if you bet on the stupidity (or evil intent) of leftist governments, you will win.

You have to look at what your actually paying for electricity. I have one meter that was locked in at $0.065/KWH but the transportation charge from TXU is $0.14/KWH. I've got another meter that is $0.14/KWH and the same transportation lines are $0.07/KWH, so I'm really paying $0.21/KWH either way. You need to take total bill and figure your actual rate. This is Texas and supposedly some of the cheapest rates. I looked at a solar installation a few days ago that actually had one of the home systems installed. They stated that the utility company only paid $0.03/KWH for generated power from your solar system. That's about same rate they pay for wind generated power as well.
As the load increases on the grid, transportation providers are upgrading the infrastructure and that cost is going to be passed straight to the consumer plus interest. Small town I live in, they worked for nearly a year replacing main feeder lines coming in to be able to handle increased loads. Not 2 months after it was finished a bitcoin mining operation met with City council on how they wanted to open an operation right across from the upgraded switchgear. Their operation was a bunch of shipping containers with HVAC installed. They wanted to use all the available capacity, their mining operation would consume 10 times more power than the entire town had.

 

[moajoe]

I have been hearing rumors about Toyota’s new solid state battery pack. More miles per charge and less volatile if it is damaged in an auto accident.

 

[Mudeat]

Your a little off. Your going to pay what the output of the charger is. Losses that occur in the vehicle, heating and cooling battery packs, efficiency losses etc. So your not going to utilize all you paid for but you are going to pay what leaves the charger. Some batteries do have an amp-hour rating but that's assuming a fixed load. In the instance of the Ford Lightning it is listed as a 131 KW battery. If you consume all 131 KW in 1 hour you have a 131 KWH battery. If you consume the capacity of the battery in 10 hours, it's still a 131 KW battery delivering 13.1 KWH for 10 hours. The TFL guys that drove the Lightning to Deadhorse Alaska posted another update and they had to drive no faster than 45 mph to get 220 mile range. They showed a level 2 charger in Alaska that was charging $0.60 per KWH. Those guys need a few physics and thermo classes, they were shocked that the regen going downhill didn't match power consumption going up hill. Looking for the perpetual motion machine.

You still have those units wrong. “Ford's new electric F-150 pickup will offer two battery choices: a standard-range pack with 98.0 kWh of usable capacity and a 131.0-kWh extended-range option.” Battery capacity is in kWH.

 

[xr650rRider]

I'll give you a simple equation.
P(kW) = E(kWh) / t(h)

You say energy (kinetic), I say power (potential)

 

[Brians356]

I have been hearing rumors about Toyota’s new solid state battery pack. More miles per charge and less volatile if it is damaged in an auto accident.

So it's not a battery at all, it's a capacitor. A battery stores potential as chemical energy. A capacitor stores potential in an electric field.
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[ronsatspokane]

You have to look at what your actually paying for electricity. I have one meter that was locked in at $0.065/KWH but the transportation charge from TXU is $0.14/KWH. I've got another meter that is $0.14/KWH and the same transportation lines are $0.07/KWH, so I'm really paying $0.21/KWH either way. You need to take total bill and figure your actual rate. This is Texas and supposedly some of the cheapest rates. I looked at a solar installation a few days ago that actually had one of the home systems installed. They stated that the utility company only paid $0.03/KWH for generated power from your solar system. That's about same rate they pay for wind generated power as well.
As the load increases on the grid, transportation providers are upgrading the infrastructure and that cost is going to be passed straight to the consumer plus interest. Small town I live in, they worked for nearly a year replacing main feeder lines coming in to be able to handle increased loads. Not 2 months after it was finished a bitcoin mining operation met with City council on how they wanted to open an operation right across from the upgraded switchgear. Their operation was a bunch of shipping containers with HVAC installed. They wanted to use all the available capacity, their mining operation would consume 10 times more power than the entire town had.

So up here, they pay you nothing for the excess power you generate. What they do is give you credits. The theory being that you generate more in the summer and burn your credits in the winter. Maybe that works but I think someone bought someone in the legislature and the laws were created to insure that the power companies maintain their monopoly.

Interesting about the transportation charge. We don't have that but what we do have is an access charge and a state tax charge. Those charges amounted to about 30 percent of my last bill.

 

[ronsatspokane]

I have been hearing rumors about Toyota’s new solid state battery pack. More miles per charge and less volatile if it is damaged in an auto accident.

I've been hearing rumors about cold fusion, perpetual energy and free energy from solar and wind for decades now.

 

[Brians356]

Consider most of the rare materials required for EVs come from China. Then consider this story out today:

Copper Worth Nearly Half a Billion Dollars Goes Missing in China

(Bloomberg) -- A group of Chinese companies are investigating why a commodities storage site in northern China is holding only one third of the copper concentrate they were financing, according to people familiar with the situation.Most Read from BloombergSneakerhead Accused of Running Huge Air...

finance.yahoo.com

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[NorCalMikie]

I've been hearing rumors about cold fusion, perpetual energy and free energy from solar and wind for decades now.

Then there's the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny too.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Then there's the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny too.

AKA Green Energy.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

We found out today, Joe doesn't have a EV. Joe said he isn't allowed to drive while VICE president. COVID flashback?