Cz 457 mtr eley match, center x, sk pistol match, sk rifle match
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I agree, sorta. I've tried 2 or 3 flavors of SK rimfire (and the "old" Wolf, which was SK under a different name) and found that they all shoot pretty well if you don't count frequent and inevitable flyers. Even a single flyer will kill you in a match, as I'm sure you well know. OTOH, some of my BR rifles prefer Center-X, while a couple of others only like Eley Match and Tenex. I've had mixed results with RWS R-50, but that was probably 'cuz I didn't do lot sorting. At over $200 a brick I'm not likely to, either, since I only shoot at the club level.
gkgeiger
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That is some awesome shooting. I shot a 2325 and a 2400 yesterday and felt pretty good until I saw that my buddy next to me shot a 2400 and a 2500. There’s always someone better.
ROBARRC50
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Thats some good shooting. I have been averaging in the mid to high 2200 range last few shoots. I think i am getting the setup down better and better each time. Shot a couple 2500 and a couple 2450. I think i was doing everything right... guess i will know next month when i shoot again.
ROBARRC50
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Not sure if its the best. But i am pretty happy with how mine is shooting at club level matches
ROBARRC50
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Seems ok to me but everyone is different
I think the stock on the 457 MTR is not well suited to offhand shooting. The stock is heavy and thick in the palm/wrist area. Other models of the 457, such as the American or Lux, may be better suited to your purposes. Just my opinion and YMMV.
Are they chambered like the MTR is? Then again pretty sure I won't be able to hold an inch offhand at 100 yards.
I have both a 457 MTR and a 457 Trainer. The Trainer outshoots the MTR handily. It’s the luck of the draw with CZ barrels. A match chamber doesn’t help a mediocre barrel, at least not in the examples I have.
Boy you have to hand it to the MTR for looks. I wonder if yours has some simple issue a gunsmith could fix.
ROBARRC50
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I like the look of the mtr. But accuracy for a factory rifle is going to come down to luck of the draw on your barrel. I had a guy at the range show up with a new mtr it shot 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards. The weird thing was that it came with a factort test target that had 21 mm group. Obviously above their accuracy guarantee so not sure why it was even shipped out. My rifle shoots 2x as good as my factory target so guess you cant judge by that
I have a Contender Carbine barrel that shoots very well, in fact I have used it for matches several times. The only thing I found I didn't like is that breaking it open gets the rifle out of position standing or from a bench. I have a rusty old Marlin model 25 that shoots better than 1.5 inches at 50 yards using bulk ammo. I may decide to get a LUX or a trainer to play with.
It shoots ok. I have 7 or 8 CZ’s and they’ll all shoot under MOA at 50 yards with good Ammo. Two of them will shoot .5 MOA or better at that distance with good lots of CX. I’m talking 6x5 averages, not single groups.
ROBARRC50
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Thats what counts who cares about a cherry picked group or 2
I cant get consistent 5 round groups out of my MTR either. It will shoot 2 maybe 3 tight then the rest go wherever they please. This doesn't matter on type of ammo, I've tried them all. It consistently shoots non-consistent groups.
What is different about the chamber in your rifles. Match chamber vs 'standard' chamber. Do you physically notice anything ?
What is different about the chamber in your rifles. Match chamber vs 'standard' chamber. Do you physically notice anything ?
ROBARRC50
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Are your first 15 shots each trip from a cold clean barrel? Are they hitting the same POA poi? Is it always shooting only the first few groups tite? Could be your barrel fouls right away and starts throwing shots where ever. What does a patch feel like going down a dirty bore? Smooth all the way or tite smooth and jerky? Could be the shooter getting tired after 15 shots or just not keeping the fundamentals. Shoot a target with 5 or 6 5 shot groups on it keeping the same point of aim on each target. And post a pic of it in this thread. Or shoot a factory ARA target and then shoot a few groups on the same target on the sighter targets. It is easier for me to shoot groups than shooting 1 shot per dot moving each time. Setup needs to be perfect each time shooting ARA target.
I've tried everything and let others shoot it as well.
I found a few problems, informed CZ and they asked me to send it in, so thats where it is now.
I was informed they are going to do a shot test on it next week to see if it shoots 'within CZ specs' which I think it will, but its still not right to me.
I really think its the barrel. I slugged it and theres a loose spot about 1" from the muzzle, bullet is loose, then gets tight again as it exits. If they send the rifle back as is I'm going to order a Lilja.
I'm also going to cut the factory barrel where the loose spot is and see what happens.
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