rubbershotgun said:
Get over it junior. I did not "profile" video game players as you mistakenly assumed. I stated a belief that modern video games sure as hell portray the kind of acts we get to see play out in tragedies like this.
Combined Connecticut and Gun Issues Thread
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Get over it junior. I did not "profile" video game players as you mistakenly assumed. I stated a belief that modern video games sure as hell portray the kind of acts we get to see play out in tragedies like this.
Yesterday was tragic and my heart goes out to the families involved. With that said we are likely to see an attack on our 2nd amendment rights like never seen before. The lunatics both Rep/Dem are gonna make some very stupid decisions that will only make our families less safe, and further enslave us to these tyrants that run this country.
Lapua40X
California Hunter Education Instructor
With the facts of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, 9/11, Columbine High School, Century Theater, Aurora, Co., Casper College, the knife attack on school children in Chengping, Henan Province, China and a host of other tragedies on the table for discussion, a large number of people want to focus on firearms as the common denominator. But they're wrong. It is neither the firearm, the explosives, the relatively easy access for taking control of an aircraft or the availability of edged weapons or combustibles that deserve the focus of our attention as proximate causes in these tragedies. The common denominator is a cultivated abandonment of moral values. In some of our major cities today there is enormous energy being applied to making every sort of conceivable activity acceptable as long as it offers some form of physical or psychological comfort to unique groups or individuals.
Since the late 1950's, the United States has undergone a dramatic shift toward the abandonment of moral values. People accused of and ultimately convicted of violent crimes, especially those in their teens and early twenties, are adjudged as victims of society. Where a loss of life or property occurs our society feels better if the blame can be spread over a broad spectrum of possibilities so that the responsible party can be either partially or wholly excused for his or her actions. He or she is either a victim of society; suffers from an illness (e.g. drug use); was neglected as a child (it's apparently the miracle of the ages that Oliver Twist didn't end up in prison) etc. - you've heard them all I'm sure.
To exacerbate the progressive moral decay of the past fifty plus years, we continue to expose our children to the glamorized wholesale killing of humans in movies, video games, and television programming to such an extent that killing another human being becomes as natural, especially to the twisted mind, as brushing one's teeth.
Attacking the issue of moral decay is far more difficult than placing tighter controls over the tangible mechanical threats which, in and of themselves, cannot harm us without the purposeful (or sometimes careless) actions of humans. But focusing our energy on pursuing a meaningless ineffective goal like stricter gun controls will only add to our frustrations. If we cannot change our moral values we cannot survive as a free society.
Since the late 1950's, the United States has undergone a dramatic shift toward the abandonment of moral values. People accused of and ultimately convicted of violent crimes, especially those in their teens and early twenties, are adjudged as victims of society. Where a loss of life or property occurs our society feels better if the blame can be spread over a broad spectrum of possibilities so that the responsible party can be either partially or wholly excused for his or her actions. He or she is either a victim of society; suffers from an illness (e.g. drug use); was neglected as a child (it's apparently the miracle of the ages that Oliver Twist didn't end up in prison) etc. - you've heard them all I'm sure.
To exacerbate the progressive moral decay of the past fifty plus years, we continue to expose our children to the glamorized wholesale killing of humans in movies, video games, and television programming to such an extent that killing another human being becomes as natural, especially to the twisted mind, as brushing one's teeth.
Attacking the issue of moral decay is far more difficult than placing tighter controls over the tangible mechanical threats which, in and of themselves, cannot harm us without the purposeful (or sometimes careless) actions of humans. But focusing our energy on pursuing a meaningless ineffective goal like stricter gun controls will only add to our frustrations. If we cannot change our moral values we cannot survive as a free society.
Petitions for gun control are gaining a lot of traction at the moment. Meanwhile, almost no one is talking about the actual root cause of these mass shootings--the nation's woefully inadequate mental health policy. If you agree, make yourself heard by signing this petition: http://wh.gov/R6Yn. In doing so we can help direct the national conversation toward more sensible solutions than gun control. We need 150 signatures to make it publicly visible on the site. Thank you.
Sorry for posting this everywhere. It's important.
Sorry for posting this everywhere. It's important.
Lapua40X I agree with your post 100%.
I can only add the example of our current financial debacle as illustration: no thought was given to the eventual consequences of using 'new math' logic to inflate the buying power of those who had no concept of the responsibility of credit. Using the 'proof' of a spreadsheet's bottom line is as compelling as the adrenalin rush of amassing points playing a shoot-em-up computer game.
I suspect a large number of those loan agents likely spent many hours playing games when not at work....
The games and entertainment industries have no scruples when it comes to creating products that glorify mayhem and violence. These endeavors train susceptible individuals in ways that are a detriment to civil society. Yet those same industries are very vocal when it comes to blaming the 2nd Amendment and those who are willing to stand up with their own responsible behavior in defending it when tragedies like Friday's take place.
My heart goes out to the parents and families of those affected in CT.
It shouldn't have happend, but it did. WE ALL MUST CONTINUE to work at preventing anything like it from happening again and that won't be accomplished with yet more anti-gun laws.
I can only add the example of our current financial debacle as illustration: no thought was given to the eventual consequences of using 'new math' logic to inflate the buying power of those who had no concept of the responsibility of credit. Using the 'proof' of a spreadsheet's bottom line is as compelling as the adrenalin rush of amassing points playing a shoot-em-up computer game.
I suspect a large number of those loan agents likely spent many hours playing games when not at work....
The games and entertainment industries have no scruples when it comes to creating products that glorify mayhem and violence. These endeavors train susceptible individuals in ways that are a detriment to civil society. Yet those same industries are very vocal when it comes to blaming the 2nd Amendment and those who are willing to stand up with their own responsible behavior in defending it when tragedies like Friday's take place.
My heart goes out to the parents and families of those affected in CT.
It shouldn't have happend, but it did. WE ALL MUST CONTINUE to work at preventing anything like it from happening again and that won't be accomplished with yet more anti-gun laws.
i wish at times like these, the poiticians would emphasize the need for better "MENTAL HEALTH CARE" and vigilance on the part of the parents to make sure the "patient" gets it!!
more or stricter gun control is not the answer. take care of the sick minded!!
more or stricter gun control is not the answer. take care of the sick minded!!
Jay Christopherson
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This is an interesting read:
http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother
It's disturbing how little recourse is available, even for parents who recognize a growing problem.
http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother
It's disturbing how little recourse is available, even for parents who recognize a growing problem.
This sentiment has been declared throughout all of human history.spclark said:
While I agree about working toward understanding and maybe even some resolution, the CONTINUE part is baffling.
After all, no actions taken to date have affected this 'problem' without causing more damage than the problem itself.
Hell, anyone of us could snap to plow a vehicle through a crowd.. Imagine all the ways we could create human suffering, and then consider all the ways we already do.
Declaring 'war on mass murder' would be no more effective than declaring 'war on terror'..
We don't need to continue.
We don't need more failing gun control.
We don't need black boxes in game consoles.
We don't need our government running psychological profiles on us.
We don't need to BLAME anyone, PRAY for anyone, or FEAR anyone.
We don't need further hypocrisy.
We need to stop.
Stop all of it, and consider our contributions..
Watch on TV these self serving bastards who would never let a good mass murder go to waste.
While you watch them, know that others considering mass murder are also watching.
I'm sure much of what they see only validates their notions -to screw this awful human society.
And if they're gonna go down anyway, might as well create all this reaction in it..
So every evil energy in reaction further contributes to it's cause.
This is an essence of mass murder, that we need to stop.
It's always the "doom and gloom" that's reported. Never something positive
towards firearms. Really horrible journalism to be so slanted against guns.
http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-oregon-mall-shooter-was-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
towards firearms. Really horrible journalism to be so slanted against guns.
http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-oregon-mall-shooter-was-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
But wait....wait!! I'd like to ask this question:
What about the near 50 MILLION innocents we've aborted??? For a nation and a world so upset about this shooting tragedy of little innocents.....aren't these 50 MILLION kids that were slaughtered a tragedy and innocents also?? Or are they just something that can be put out of mind because we never saw them....as the cute little boys and girls that could have been were not a pair of surgical scissors driven into the base of some their skulls as done in partial birth abortions???
We're a nation of FRIGGIN NUTS.....no question about it! Millions of $$$$ are taken up for the care of dogs and cats and in a helluva lot of instances we take better care of four legged animals than we do our children!! I'm never amazed at the degree of stupidity that exists in this country!! :-[ :-\ :
What about the near 50 MILLION innocents we've aborted??? For a nation and a world so upset about this shooting tragedy of little innocents.....aren't these 50 MILLION kids that were slaughtered a tragedy and innocents also?? Or are they just something that can be put out of mind because we never saw them....as the cute little boys and girls that could have been were not a pair of surgical scissors driven into the base of some their skulls as done in partial birth abortions???
We're a nation of FRIGGIN NUTS.....no question about it! Millions of $$$$ are taken up for the care of dogs and cats and in a helluva lot of instances we take better care of four legged animals than we do our children!! I'm never amazed at the degree of stupidity that exists in this country!! :-[ :-\ :
Not surprising, the truth has no place in the majority of plans of the media and antigunners/liberals! How can their agenda move forward with positive information?
Bugs said:
Good post Bugs.
I agree with you.
Keep in mind that his mother, the gun owner, failed to secure her guns! We don't know yet the precise details of how the guns were kept or who's they were.
The killer was old enough to legally own guns.
The mother also failed to seek treatment for her son.
It's your responsibility and mine as well to secure your guns!
CJ6
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Let's not look to misplace/remove ANY blame from an ADULT that takes such actions. Illness (mental or other ) is a cop-out, whether the firearms were locked up or not is a cop-out. HE CHOSE THIS ACTION, THE BLAME IS HIS ALONE. Personal responsibility is for #$%^ in this country. When will being held accountable for your self/actions come BACK to being the NORM. I REALLY MISS my Fathers and Grand Fathers generations..................
CJ6,
You are wrong in what you wrote:
"Illness (mental or other ) is a cop-out, whether the firearms were locked up or not is a cop-out."
It's the gun owners resposibility to secure their guns!
The mother failed to do this!
The mother failed to get treatment for her mentally ill son.
The mother hid her son in the house from others.
You are wrong in what you wrote:
"Illness (mental or other ) is a cop-out, whether the firearms were locked up or not is a cop-out."
It's the gun owners resposibility to secure their guns!
The mother failed to do this!
The mother failed to get treatment for her mentally ill son.
The mother hid her son in the house from others.
Actually the title should have been "Guns vs Cars" or "Irrational People vs Drunk Drivers". But I thought it would get more reads titled as is.
I did a little internet research this morning and came up with some interesting facts.
1. There have been 267 people killed in mass shootings since and including the Columbine incident which happened 13 years and 6 months ago. (I didn't count the deaths by suicide.)
2. 500 people die EVERY WEEK in accidents caused by alcohol impaired drivers. This is just alcohol impaired and doesn't include drug impaired.
3. So nearly twice as many people are killed by vehicles driven by drunk drivers IN ONE WEEK than all the mass shootings over the past 13.5 YEARS.
So it appears to me that "car control" is far more important than "gun control". Actually states are TRYING to get the drunk drivers off the road, but it usually takes a second offense before any type of control is attempted.
So the next time someone wants to preach gun control to me, I will have a reply.
I did a little internet research this morning and came up with some interesting facts.
1. There have been 267 people killed in mass shootings since and including the Columbine incident which happened 13 years and 6 months ago. (I didn't count the deaths by suicide.)
2. 500 people die EVERY WEEK in accidents caused by alcohol impaired drivers. This is just alcohol impaired and doesn't include drug impaired.
3. So nearly twice as many people are killed by vehicles driven by drunk drivers IN ONE WEEK than all the mass shootings over the past 13.5 YEARS.
So it appears to me that "car control" is far more important than "gun control". Actually states are TRYING to get the drunk drivers off the road, but it usually takes a second offense before any type of control is attempted.
So the next time someone wants to preach gun control to me, I will have a reply.
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