Armed guards

[Jay Christopherson]

Just a reminder to all that topics like this get charged (and closed) pretty quickly. Please keep it respectful and on topic. Abusers will find themselves locked out of the thread.

 

[centerlineseal]

Just a reminder to all that topics like this get charged (and closed) pretty quickly. Please keep it respectful and on topic. Abusers will find themselves locked out of the thread.

Yeah, ... I think I stepped outa' line a few days ago. The Thread was deleted.

I'm am mortified, now more aware and extremely sorry!

 

[ireload2]

You want me to believe you, wiki and aol?

From your wiki article as if you did not bother to read it.
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These lists are incomplete. Although Congress instructed the Attorney General in 1994 to compile and publish annual statistics on police use of excessive force, this was never carried out, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation does not collect these data either.[1] The annual average number of justifiable homicides alone was previously estimated to be near 400.[2] Updated estimates from the Bureau of Justice Statistics released in 2015 estimate the number to be around 930 per year, or 1240 if assuming that non-reporting local agencies kill people at the same rate as reporting agencies.[3] The Washington Post has tracked shootings (only) since 2015, reporting 990 shootings in that year,[4] and 963 in 2016.[5]
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It looks like you are way off in the weeds. The system is stacked in favor of the cops and everyone knows that.
Cops kill unarmed people here locally and get away with it 90% of the time.
They have shot an old woman armed with scissors in her front yard, a mental patient with a stick, a teenager asleep in a car, 2 people who reported disturbances were killed by the responding cops and one naked man running down the highway. I am sure I could find more but this just 1 town. Only the cop that shot the sleeping teen lost his job. The city lost the wrongful death lawsuit.

2017 mass shootings ~345 https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...r-mass-shootings-in-modern-us-histo/23298797/
2017 police "killings" (?) -104 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...forcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2017

 

[Ray B]

While the majority are seeking a reasonable discussion, a few go with personal attacks and derail the conversation. So this is different from politics in what way?

 

[ireload2]

I have observed the antigun crowd since JFK was offed.They will never stop until they achieve confiscation. As Ok City showed common chemicals are just as dangerous.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/

 

[4xforfun]

This idea is gaining a lot of popularity among NRA members and gun owners in general along with some of the liberal population as well.

I am going to be the bad guy here to say that we are setting ourselves up on a slippery slope that is worse than any kind of 'gun control'.

The flaw in the idea of having armed guards in schools is that it will surely work. i.e it will curb the shootings that happen in schools. (Although *without* airport TSA like security, many things will slip through)

However, schools are not the only soft targets. Movie theaters, shopping malls, public parks, airports and busy streets are all places where people come and go as they please without any checks/scans.

Once the school idea works, its only a matter of (not much) time before all these other public places will adopt the same idea. Why not have armed guards in Movie theaters? and how come people just walk into an Airport without any checking?

I am not imagining this. I have seen the exact same thing happen. When faced with danger/terror, people generally choose to give up rights in favor of increased security.
I was born and brought up in India and before 1993, things were fairly relaxed. A parent could enter a school uninvited to meet teachers, you could go to the airports to see your family off, walk into shopping malls without getting frisked etc.

Then a lot of bombings happened in 1993 (there is a lot of cross-border terrorism in India). And there were calls for increase security. It didn't take long before there were armed guards virtually everywhere. Schools, banks, airports (yes, nobody can enter an airport without showing a valid ticket and an ID), malls and after 26/11 even some restaurants have metal detectors and frisking.

In US, we saw a lot of that happen after 9/11 as well.

So, what is wrong with armed guards everywhere you go? Walk into your favorite restaurant, just go through the metal detector, a light frisking and off you go. What is so terrible about this?

Having armed guards everywhere cannot and does not coexist with public gun ownership. Not only people who hate gun owners get another argument that since we have guards everywhere, why do you need a gun for self-protection, there is also an argument that regular people having guns is harmful for the guards themselves.
Having a lot of armed guards is akin to calling the national guard.

I don't have a short-term solution for school (and other) shootings because there isn't one. The problem can only be solved slowly by bringing up a responsible generation. And if the society fails to do that, it suffers either by shootings or by giving up freedoms.

Haven't red all of the posts....but...the "other places " you mentioned are not "gun free" zones...I can CC and protect myself!!

And..I do!!!!

Tod


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[Milo 2.0]

While the majority are seeking a reasonable discussion, a few go with personal attacks and derail the conversation. So this is different from politics in what way?

I'm relatively sure that was for me, here's the deal, yes the degradation of society a big part, all kinds of directions to point fingers. I also believe inanimate objects don't kill on their own, but a gun makes it damn easy for someone to do so. Yet we have gun owners who know fully well just what one will do, but refuse to acknowledge it. No need for claims how people die, people die daily, hourly, but when 10-50 die in under 20 minutes form gunfire, it's easy to highlight, real easy.
I could give a rats as if you got shot in a gay night club, or a movie theater, or an outdoor concert, all your choice to be there, I do sympathize though, but do not care.
Our kids are bound by law to go to school, yet gun owners can find every excuse under the sun to never shoulder an ounce of burden.
Now our beloved head of the nra can't cough up friggin bump stocks, that's an inalienable right we all need, right beside binary triggers.

 

[22BRGUY]

I'm relatively sure that was for me, here's the deal, yes the degradation of society a big part, all kinds of directions to point fingers. I also believe inanimate objects don't kill on their own, but a gun makes it damn easy for someone to do so. Yet we have gun owners who know fully well just what one will do, but refuse to acknowledge it. No need for claims how people die, people die daily, hourly, but when 10-50 die in under 20 minutes form gunfire, it's easy to highlight, real easy.
I could give a rats as if you got shot in a gay night club, or a movie theater, or an outdoor concert, all your choice to be there, I do sympathize though, but do not care.
Our kids are bound by law to go to school, yet gun owners can find every excuse under the sun to never shoulder an ounce of burden.
Now our beloved head of the nra can't cough up friggin bump stocks, that's an inalienable right we all need, right beside binary triggers.

With all due respect sir, if you and those that get so worked up about those 17 children, and I am sorry for any that have lost love ones, but shouldn't you point your energy first at where there is REALLY TERRIBLE tragic loss of children NEEDLESSLY?

 

[Jay Christopherson]

I don't have time for this.