Combined Connecticut and Gun Issues Thread

[spclark]

Putting 27 Preventable Deaths Into Perspective

Some thoughts I had this afternoon, first posted to another forum:

With the recent grandstanding by Obama, Biden, et al, then giving some thought to other "statistics" with regard to mortality in the United States, it took me all of about 20 minutes just now to collect the following information:

22.5 deaths per year 1931-2005 from football injuries (direct & indirect)

"From 1931 to 2006, the National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research reported 1,006 direct and 683 indirect fatalities resulting from participation in all organized football (professional, college, high school, and sandlot) in the US.; the yearly number of indirect fatalities has remained near 9.0 per year."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_in_American_football
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Teenage deaths 1999-2006 = 131,000 or about 16,375 per year.

Of this number, approx. 3/8 (~ 38%, more than 1/3) were from motor vehicle traffic accidents or
6,222 per year, more than 17 each day.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db37.htm#leading
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http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/pharmaceutical-companies-causing-106000-deaths-a-year/
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2005-2009 fatal drownings of children 15 years old or younger: 3,107 or 444 per year;
4 years of age or younger - 73 per year.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6119a4.htm#tab

"Overall, drowning death rates in the United States have declined in the last decade; however, drowning is the leading cause of injury death among children aged 1–4 years."

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6119a4.htm
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Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2
All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 41,592
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.5
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
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If the activities whereby the above occur are at minimum covered by "the pursuit of happiness" then certainly there's a double standard when it comes to limiting "the right to keep and bear arms" when one considers the numbers involved.

Does it seem to others (as it does to me) that firearms suddenly are getting more attention than they might otherwise deserve?

 

[Forum Boss]

According to an email I just got,new york state has shutdown gun shows until gov cuomo is through taking all our rights away.

Four gun shows in locations close to Newtown, Connecticut have been cancelled by show operators, none by State Action (by NY State or otherwise).

See: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/05/gun-shows-face-new-scrutiny-after-connecticut-school-shooting/

 

[Nomad47]

spclark, you can add this one: Going back 13.5 years to include Columbine - 267 deaths by mass shootings. Yes, 267 deaths in over 13 years. Deaths caused by drunk drivers - 500 per WEEK.

 

[wildchild]

Its quit obvious that statistics dont mean didley squat becouse the King and the kings men with there libtard lobbyist have a agenda and they see the same statistics we see. Its on blind eyes and deft ears simple as that.

 

[deadlyswift]

Solid Facts to pass on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooa98FHuaU0

[youtube]http://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0[/youtube]

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

Future headlines perhaps?:

"Million Man Armed March" crowd descends upon the capital building"

Is it time? Would you be willing to do it?

Or do we just wait until the next time they want more of our rights?

Perhaps the time after that?

Or maybe the next one after that until there isn't anything left?

Who could arrange this?

Perhaps the NRA?

Some other gun rights organization?.........or just ordinary citizens exercising their right to be heard?

Do you really think they would/could arrest one million armed people marching on the capital of a state or our country?........ regardless of the "statutes" or "laws" against carrying openly in the capital city of whatever state is chosen?


Do you think they MIGHT get the message then?


Or is this too extreme?

Think about it.

 

[wildchild]

Future headlines perhaps?:

"Million Man Armed March" crowd descends upon the capital building"

Is it time? Would you be willing to do it?

Or do we just wait until the next time they want more of our rights?

Perhaps the time after that?

Or maybe the next one after that until there isn't anything left?

Who could arrange this?

Perhaps the NRA?

Some other gun rights organization?.........or just ordinary citizens exercising their right to be heard?

Do you really think they would/could arrest one million armed people marching on the capital of a state or our country?........ regardless of the "statutes" or "laws" against carrying openly in the capital city of whatever state is chosen?


Do you think they MIGHT get the message then?


Or is this too extreme?

Think about it.

i'm in, could i get a RSVP ..lol
seriously this is what needs done!!

 

[timeout]

Future headlines perhaps?:

"Million Man Armed March" crowd descends upon the capital building"

Is it time? Would you be willing to do it?

Or do we just wait until the next time they want more of our rights?

Perhaps the time after that?

Or maybe the next one after that until there isn't anything left?

Who could arrange this?

Perhaps the NRA?

Some other gun rights organization?.........or just ordinary citizens exercising their right to be heard?

Do you really think they would/could arrest one million armed people marching on the capital of a state or our country?........ regardless of the "statutes" or "laws" against carrying openly in the capital city of whatever state is chosen?


Do you think they MIGHT get the message then?


Or is this too extreme?

Think about it.

I'm really surprised that more people have not expressed an opinion on this. Perhaps try contacting the NRA or someone like Glenn Beck to organize the march. I think most on here are afraid to express an opinion because this has been deemed political. Try floating this balloon on a different site. You can count me in. Seems like a very good way to get the focus on the correct issue. I'll march all the way from my house if that is what it takes. If you have read the history of this country, you know what hardships men like George Washington endured to give us the freedoms that we have. I'm an old man and crippled, but I will march.

 

[Bradley Walker]

or someone like Glenn Beck to organize the march

Chuckle... Oh my dear lawd...

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

This thread has pretty much died and not many are paying much attention to it anymore.

But if you think this idea is worth while..........help spread the word around also and we will see what becomes of it.....if anything. Get people to send emails to others and see if we can find someone to sponsor/organize it......if not it will die. Maybe we as a people aren't really ready to do anything about any of this.

It would be nice to march on DC on the day Obama is sworn in for his second term. That would certainly send a message that would be heard. But that would be too soon to be practical.

I've already sent an email to the NRA about it......have not heard anything back yet.

We have gotten lazy as a people and would rather hire a professional lobbyist to be our voice instead of doing it ourselves. Nothing wrong with that, but if that's all we are willing to do.....we will loose.

These are my personal thoughts about this I certainly don't speak for anyone else here:

I wouldn't care if there is suppose to be a "permit" or some other regulation that would be broken doing a march such as this.

It would happen in "peaceful defiance" of the law. Showing the same disdain for their laws as they do for us. If they don't start any trouble there won't be any trouble.........but if they do start something .........well, just how far are we willing to go with this?

 

[JRS]

or someone like Glenn Beck to organize the march

Chuckle... Oh my dear lawd...

LOL!

I had the same thought ??? :

If the NRA thought a march would help their cause, they would have by now, contacted every NRA member they have. I believe their attorneys are a bit smarter than that. March... based on what?

 

[civil82]

or someone like Glenn Beck to organize the march

Chuckle... Oh my dear lawd...

LOL!



I had the same thought ??? :

If the NRA thought a march would help their cause, they would have by now, contacted every NRA member they have. I believe their attorneys are a bit smarter than that. March... based on what?

I believe that the NRA KNOWS that a march on DC would turn some heads, but they don't want to, nor ever will. It would stain their polite political stances.

 

[Frankr]

Our only real hope is with our military leaders. if they would side with the people and overthrow this goverment and restructure the goverment to a goverment that would work for the people of this country. close our borders,stop the imports and get us back to manufacturing and become dependent on no other country. make everything we need right here, IT CAN BE DONE . WE CAN DO IT. that is our only hope..

some believe it is allready over that with in the next year the US dollar will collapse and we will head into a bad depression. to a possibality of, the end of socicty alltogether. If any of this is true, just think for a minunite. our goverment is worried about getting our guns and leaveing us helpless, rather than trying to come up with a solution to this problem , other than selling us out.. the only way to fix it is to close our borders, stop all imports, start manfucturing everything we need right here, put the entire country back to work, and i mean everyone. till we have all our prouducts up,running, self sucficicent.. then we could support our self's. and would need less goverment. it would work. it is the only way..it could.

 

[mikecr]

Nothing can happen without leadership, and our government has put all measures in place to prevent it.
We watched it, and did nothing, over & over -like a boiling frog.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

. March... based on what?

Why March?

Because it's part of my rights as an American citizen...........for now.

We are not socialists just yet.

Why else?

1) in SUPPORT of the 2nd amendment.
2) in support for owning "assault weapons" altho I dispute that terminology.
3) in support of high capacity magazines
4) in support of trained, armed guards at schools for those that want it.
5) in support of National concealed carry permits
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6) in spite of political correctness
7) in spite of the laws that don't allow us to do such things
8.) in spite of those that would try to circumvent the constitution using executive orders.
9) in order to get the politicians attention and stop violating the Constitution

If they want to do away with the 2nd amendment.........then REPEAL IT as prescribed in the Constitution by due process. Which will not happen and they KNOW it.

That's some of what I would be marching for.

 

[bozo699]

or someone like Glenn Beck to organize the march

Chuckle... Oh my dear lawd...

What would be wrong with that idea? I admit Micheal Savage would be my first pick but come on when Glen isn't crying ( real tears) he is a great guy!!! and very Conservative!
Wayne.

 

[spclark]

Did I miss a previous post here mentioning this?

http://www.ibtimes.com/newtown-conspiracy-theory-professor-explains-how-media-orchestrated-sandy-hook-coverage-1008032

I do recall media mentioning an "individual in camouflage apprehended in the nearby woods" that first day but then... nothing. Also that an AR rifle had been found in the car yet coroner reported wounds from rifle projectiles.

There were reports layer deemed to be mistaken, often confusing any confidence in learning what really happened.

 

[timeout]

or someone like Glenn Beck to organize the march

Chuckle... Oh my dear lawd...

What would be wrong with that idea? I admit Micheal Savage would be my first pick but come on when Glen isn't crying ( real tears) he is a great guy!!! and very Conservative!
Wayne.

Wayne, just go back and read previous posts. Glenn Beck came to mind because of his very successful Tea Party event that he organized in Washington DC. I am still in if a march can be organized. The time has come to stand up for our rights. That is my final word here on this subject. On another note, this clip is a good view. The issue should be about keeping our kids safe, not disarming all of America's law abiding gun owners. Shame on them for using a horrific tragedy to advance gun control, rather than find a real solution to protect our kids.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2088158329001/

 

[CZ550]

Anyone from MO please check this out. http://prcnews.org/2013/01/07/consent-of-the-governed-rally-jeff-city-january-16th/. If you can please come and show your support for the 2nd amendment.

 

[wildchild]

If only I could post links from utube!! There is some SCARY s%$t happened before our eyes and has been for awhile!!