I'm surprised that no one has mentioned an AR15. All of mine will shoot 1/2" groups @100 yds with proper loads. I'm not talking 3 shot groups either, I'm talking about 10 shots.
Best varmint rifle made.....
- Thread starter Longfeather
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Cooper test targets are not shot at 100 yards. I cannot remember which but it is at the most 50 if not 25 yards. Common misconception that I'm sure they would rather not be known.
Depending on the intended purpose, the Savage LRPV would be my choice. Excellent choice of calibers as well as twist rates, HS precision stock, right bolt left port, decent trigger once you get used to it, and for around $350 you can screw on a quality aftermarket barrel all by yourself. They are heavy but as long as it isn't a walking varminter I feel like it's an advantage.
Jason
Depending on the intended purpose, the Savage LRPV would be my choice. Excellent choice of calibers as well as twist rates, HS precision stock, right bolt left port, decent trigger once you get used to it, and for around $350 you can screw on a quality aftermarket barrel all by yourself. They are heavy but as long as it isn't a walking varminter I feel like it's an advantage.
Jason
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My girl friend actually won an Olympic Arms AR 15 in a raffle a couple years ago (a whole $5 investment). It came with a 24" heavy stainless barrel that had cut rifeling at 1:10 twist. I took it to the range to see how well it shot, and ran 55 grain Vmaxes thru it that were loaded for my 700 Remington. Shot about 90 rounds thru it, and was grouping in the low sixes after about twenty rounds thru it. The scope I used was a $50 dollar Wallmart special with generic Weaver style rings that were not even lapped in. I could easilly see this rifle shooting in the half inch area and maybe even in the mid to low fours with better optics and mounts.
gary
LRPV said:
I had the chance to look over a Precision Target Savage a couple months back. It was chambered in 6BR. Rifle was a tad heavy with a 30" barrel. Came with a proof target that was about .150" for three shots using off the shelf Federal ammo! Trigger pull was about 12oz. with virtually zero creep. Price was salty at $1700 (list), but also be hard to spend $1700 and get something that shot that well.
gary
I have 3 Varmint Rifles,
1) Remington M722 in 222 from 1946
2) TC Venture Predator 223
3) TC Venture 22-250
They all shoot 3 shot groups at 100 + yds .5 inch groups.
IMHO it isn't the gun that makes the shooting accurate, it is the person who shoots the gun, the person needs to know the gun inside and out, and the right bullet for it, and plenty of practice............
Person
Gun and Optics
Load for a specific Bullet for a certain type shooting............
1) Remington M722 in 222 from 1946
2) TC Venture Predator 223
3) TC Venture 22-250
They all shoot 3 shot groups at 100 + yds .5 inch groups.
IMHO it isn't the gun that makes the shooting accurate, it is the person who shoots the gun, the person needs to know the gun inside and out, and the right bullet for it, and plenty of practice............
Person
Gun and Optics
Load for a specific Bullet for a certain type shooting............
I've got to vote for one of several: Remington 788 in 222 is a tack driver up to 250y. Loves the VMax bullets.
Pre-64 W70 in .243 is a tack driver to 400y.
AR-15 with 1:7twist but it really is for paper varmints only.
Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 in 30-06. I know what you're gonna say, 30-06 is a bit much for varmints, but to a hand loader who casts bullets, the 30-06 is extremely versatile and has put up with a lot of "tinkering."
-Mac
Pre-64 W70 in .243 is a tack driver to 400y.
AR-15 with 1:7twist but it really is for paper varmints only.
Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 in 30-06. I know what you're gonna say, 30-06 is a bit much for varmints, but to a hand loader who casts bullets, the 30-06 is extremely versatile and has put up with a lot of "tinkering."
-Mac
I have a cooper m38 in a 20 vt also a m21 in204. Then a m52 in 243 also a m56 in 300 weatherby. Every one of them shoot I'm getting less than 4 in group at 500 yards with the m 56.
I have a CZ 527 in 22 hornet that is a fantastic - light, accurate carry gun. 35 V-MAX's or 34 Midway dogtown hollow points cover me to 175yards solidly, with 200 or even 225yd shots possible. Set trigger, Monarch 5.5-16x44mm AO scope.
(Have a 453 Varmint in 17hmr also, but too lite - need to stick to the centerfires for what I do mostly. Great gun though!)
I've got a Tikka T3 Lite in 243win that shoots 70NBT's into bug holes. Nice on more windy days. Solid to about 325.
My old '79 Rem 700 BDL in 222 is pretty hard to beat for anything out to 250. It's a price/performer, shooting about 21.0 of IMR-4198 with CCI 400 small rifle primers under a 40gr V-MAX at 3,300fps. That is GOOD varmint medicine. And unlike the 243, the 222 will shoot ANYTHING great! Pick any 40 - 52 grain bullet, with any of a half dozen different powders, and it will make little itty bitty tiny groups at 100 yards for you.
And in the same way, I just recently went for another classic. 22-250, this one is a Savage Model 10 Predator Hunter Max 1. 24" fluted barrel, oversized bolt, nice detachable box magazine that fits flush, camo stock, accutrigger that was wonderfully light right out of the box. I put a Weaver V24 with XDOT on it and WOW - shooting 52 Berger Match Target hollow points launched by 36.5 of Varget with a Fed210GM match primer out of Nosler custom brass. Sooooo sweet!! Longest kill on a ground-hog this past season was a measured 383.5 yards. Me and a buddy each hit targets with this gun while still doing break-in with factory ammo (these were Hornady 55 V-MAX's) out to 500 yards within a couple tries.
222 isn't easy to find any more though if not handlloading, and so with another inherently accurate round in the 22-250 that is still available everywhere - it would have to get my vote as "the king" of varminting. (And I know somebody will come along right behind me talking about their 220 Swift. Acknowledged greatness. 204 to 22-250 is like 223 to 222.)
I love the idea of a Cooper in 20VarTarg though!!! Maybe someday. 20Vartarg, a 6BR to replace my 243? There are many greats out there that I would still like to 'sample'.
) I don't have any real high-end stuff today, and probably never will. No complaints though. To one of the earlier posters line of thinking - any of these rifles I just mentioned will outshoot me most days anyway. Mine are hunting guns, so it really comes down to what do I want to kill - and how far away do you want to be able to do it from? For my needs, on the 'varminting' front anyway - I am covered just fine.
(Have a 453 Varmint in 17hmr also, but too lite - need to stick to the centerfires for what I do mostly. Great gun though!)
I've got a Tikka T3 Lite in 243win that shoots 70NBT's into bug holes. Nice on more windy days. Solid to about 325.
My old '79 Rem 700 BDL in 222 is pretty hard to beat for anything out to 250. It's a price/performer, shooting about 21.0 of IMR-4198 with CCI 400 small rifle primers under a 40gr V-MAX at 3,300fps. That is GOOD varmint medicine. And unlike the 243, the 222 will shoot ANYTHING great! Pick any 40 - 52 grain bullet, with any of a half dozen different powders, and it will make little itty bitty tiny groups at 100 yards for you.
And in the same way, I just recently went for another classic. 22-250, this one is a Savage Model 10 Predator Hunter Max 1. 24" fluted barrel, oversized bolt, nice detachable box magazine that fits flush, camo stock, accutrigger that was wonderfully light right out of the box. I put a Weaver V24 with XDOT on it and WOW - shooting 52 Berger Match Target hollow points launched by 36.5 of Varget with a Fed210GM match primer out of Nosler custom brass. Sooooo sweet!! Longest kill on a ground-hog this past season was a measured 383.5 yards. Me and a buddy each hit targets with this gun while still doing break-in with factory ammo (these were Hornady 55 V-MAX's) out to 500 yards within a couple tries.
222 isn't easy to find any more though if not handlloading, and so with another inherently accurate round in the 22-250 that is still available everywhere - it would have to get my vote as "the king" of varminting. (And I know somebody will come along right behind me talking about their 220 Swift. Acknowledged greatness. 204 to 22-250 is like 223 to 222.)
I love the idea of a Cooper in 20VarTarg though!!! Maybe someday. 20Vartarg, a 6BR to replace my 243? There are many greats out there that I would still like to 'sample'.
) I don't have any real high-end stuff today, and probably never will. No complaints though. To one of the earlier posters line of thinking - any of these rifles I just mentioned will outshoot me most days anyway. Mine are hunting guns, so it really comes down to what do I want to kill - and how far away do you want to be able to do it from? For my needs, on the 'varminting' front anyway - I am covered just fine.Stephen,
Thank you and all the varminters out there with your wealth of information. I just got off the SAKO site and their 85 laminated varminter looks like a killer. They have a set trigger that reminds me of the CANJar's. PS: thanks for the pics of your 22-250. Its a dandy!
Thank you and all the varminters out there with your wealth of information. I just got off the SAKO site and their 85 laminated varminter looks like a killer. They have a set trigger that reminds me of the CANJar's. PS: thanks for the pics of your 22-250. Its a dandy!
BigDMT
Can't go wrong with a Sako. Good choice 
bozo699
Gold $$ Contributor
Longfeather,
I thought you pretty well answered this question on your other one of two threads going,.....
OMG!!!! this thread has become ridiculous!!! I had decided I would not comment but several days and I can't take it any more! next the 30/30 is going to be beating the 30br's on 300yard competition, I have no idea what is wrong with all the short range br shooters,...the idiots are using the 6ppc and the 30 br's what is the matter with them, with the superior accuracy edge the .223 has and the .222 I have no idea why they f.f all that brass for the ppc's and the 30br's some shooters I tell ya?................................I myself am competing at 1000 yards with my K Hornet and so far I have NEVER been beat! hopefully this year or next I can get some competition to shoot against me!
Wayne.
Well Wayne...you just let the cat out of the bag. I was wondering when the 22 caliber refiners were going to come up for air on this thread. It's time to tell it like it is. Not meaning to hurt any feelings. Not trying to take any credit away from all our 6PPC, 6BR or 30 shooters as you're all class gentlemen in pursuit of accuracy. Truth is in the putting. The .222 was developed in 1950 by one of Remington's most noted gunsmiths (Mike Walker). The cartrige either by design, by luck, or by both had the correct proportions to become "the most accurate cartridge". It was so accurate that we immediately attempted to out perform the round by creating sister cartridges (.222 rem mag, .221 fireball, .222 special, .223, 5.56, and the newest of the lot the .204 Ruger). Our pursuit of accuraccy took us away from the 22 caliber to the 24 caliber to try to find that diamond in the coal mine. I challenge all of you with this: Make your next bench rifle build around the Remington .222. Give it the same attention you would your 6PPC,6BR or 30. Pick your best barrel, stock, trigger, scope and smith. Build it around the Remington .222, find your load and you'll outshoot any of the current record breaking cartridges in both group shooting and aag [size=24pt]from 100 to 1000 yards.[/size] PS:the reason the 6PPC and the 30's are winning so many matches is thats what everybodys been using. If you want to outshhoot everyone at the range at every distance build a Remington .222. PS: Prepare yourself as you will draw a crowd wondering what the heck you're shooting. The oldest best kept secret is out.....
I'd say from 0-1000 yards there wouldn't be a safe place for a varmint to hide, all other cartridges should be destroyed the triple deuce is all that is needed for ALL applications!!
Wayne.
I thought you pretty well answered this question on your other one of two threads going,.....
OMG!!!! this thread has become ridiculous!!! I had decided I would not comment but several days and I can't take it any more! next the 30/30 is going to be beating the 30br's on 300yard competition, I have no idea what is wrong with all the short range br shooters,...the idiots are using the 6ppc and the 30 br's what is the matter with them, with the superior accuracy edge the .223 has and the .222 I have no idea why they f.f all that brass for the ppc's and the 30br's some shooters I tell ya?................................I myself am competing at 1000 yards with my K Hornet and so far I have NEVER been beat! hopefully this year or next I can get some competition to shoot against me!
Wayne.
Well Wayne...you just let the cat out of the bag. I was wondering when the 22 caliber refiners were going to come up for air on this thread. It's time to tell it like it is. Not meaning to hurt any feelings. Not trying to take any credit away from all our 6PPC, 6BR or 30 shooters as you're all class gentlemen in pursuit of accuracy. Truth is in the putting. The .222 was developed in 1950 by one of Remington's most noted gunsmiths (Mike Walker). The cartrige either by design, by luck, or by both had the correct proportions to become "the most accurate cartridge". It was so accurate that we immediately attempted to out perform the round by creating sister cartridges (.222 rem mag, .221 fireball, .222 special, .223, 5.56, and the newest of the lot the .204 Ruger). Our pursuit of accuraccy took us away from the 22 caliber to the 24 caliber to try to find that diamond in the coal mine. I challenge all of you with this: Make your next bench rifle build around the Remington .222. Give it the same attention you would your 6PPC,6BR or 30. Pick your best barrel, stock, trigger, scope and smith. Build it around the Remington .222, find your load and you'll outshoot any of the current record breaking cartridges in both group shooting and aag [size=24pt]from 100 to 1000 yards.[/size] PS:the reason the 6PPC and the 30's are winning so many matches is thats what everybodys been using. If you want to outshhoot everyone at the range at every distance build a Remington .222. PS: Prepare yourself as you will draw a crowd wondering what the heck you're shooting. The oldest best kept secret is out.....
I'd say from 0-1000 yards there wouldn't be a safe place for a varmint to hide, all other cartridges should be destroyed the triple deuce is all that is needed for ALL applications!!
Wayne.
I am a BIG fan of the 222 rem - nobody has to sell me on that cal, I wish to goodness they would bring it back!
CZ, Tikka, and some other high-end manufacturers still chamber in 222. That Sako does look amazing!!
The 22-250 is another classic though, and reloads wonderfully -- just like the tripple deuce. The other month I decided - I'm going to try Sierra Blitzkings this year in my 250. Bought a box of 55's, (already had some 50BK on hand from loading them in the 222), did my research, came up with what I wanted to try 'Day 1' / round 1 with both bullets, built 'em, and finally just yesterday I got to shoot them. Here's the 50's target from my first outing:
Now I don't know about you, but with supplies stretched these days and money getting tight - I think I'm going to load up more 36.4 of Reloader 15 using CCI BR-2's and just go hunt! These things will have no problem taking a bite out of our new crop of ground-hogs out to 300 yards starting in just another couple of weeks. Can't wait!
CZ, Tikka, and some other high-end manufacturers still chamber in 222. That Sako does look amazing!!
The 22-250 is another classic though, and reloads wonderfully -- just like the tripple deuce. The other month I decided - I'm going to try Sierra Blitzkings this year in my 250. Bought a box of 55's, (already had some 50BK on hand from loading them in the 222), did my research, came up with what I wanted to try 'Day 1' / round 1 with both bullets, built 'em, and finally just yesterday I got to shoot them. Here's the 50's target from my first outing:
Now I don't know about you, but with supplies stretched these days and money getting tight - I think I'm going to load up more 36.4 of Reloader 15 using CCI BR-2's and just go hunt! These things will have no problem taking a bite out of our new crop of ground-hogs out to 300 yards starting in just another couple of weeks. Can't wait!
The manufacturers need to offer more varmint hunting calibers besides the 17 Rem Fireball, 22-250, 223 & 204. I have not checked the catalogs for every make. I realize they mass produce the rifles and it would add to the cost to make special runs. One of the manufacturers should at least make 50 6BR or 6BRX's and see how they sell. If nothing else it would be a good advertizing gimick. Everyone would be talking about it. Offer fast and slow twist barrels. Remington seems to refuse to deal with the 6BR Norma since the 6BR Remington never sold well.
Webster said:
Savage does offer varmint rifles in 6NormaBR fast and slow twist! Look on their website and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Mike
bozo699
Gold $$ Contributor
sbranden said:I am a BIG fan of the 222 rem - nobody has to sell me on that cal, I wish to goodness they would bring it back!
CZ, Tikka, and some other high-end manufacturers still chamber in 222. That Sako does look amazing!!
The 22-250 is another classic though, and reloads wonderfully -- just like the tripple deuce. The other month I decided - I'm going to try Sierra Blitzkings this year in my 250. Bought a box of 55's, (already had some 50BK on hand from loading them in the 222), did my research, came up with what I wanted to try 'Day 1' / round 1 with both bullets, built 'em, and finally just yesterday I got to shoot them. Here's the 50's target from my first outing:
Now I don't know about you, but with supplies stretched these days and money getting tight - I think I'm going to load up more 36.4 of Reloader 15 using CCI BR-2's and just go hunt! These things will have no problem taking a bite out of our new crop of ground-hogs out to 300 yards starting in just another couple of weeks. Can't wait!
I can't really read what your target says but I think I would proff test that load before I loaded a couple thousand rounds and head to a prairie dog town, the 36.4 would kill crows out to 300 yards but the other loads wouldn't and it appears your good group of 36.4 only has three holes why didn't you do a five shot group with it? just saying.
Wayne.
bozo699 said:Longfeather,
I thought you pretty well answered this question on your other one of two threads going,.....
OMG!!!! this thread has become ridiculous!!! I had decided I would not comment but several days and I can't take it any more! next the 30/30 is going to be beating the 30br's on 300yard competition, I have no idea what is wrong with all the short range br shooters,...the idiots are using the 6ppc and the 30 br's what is the matter with them, with the superior accuracy edge the .223 has and the .222 I have no idea why they f.f all that brass for the ppc's and the 30br's some shooters I tell ya?................................I myself am competing at 1000 yards with my K Hornet and so far I have NEVER been beat! hopefully this year or next I can get some competition to shoot against me!
Wayne.
Well Wayne...you just let the cat out of the bag. I was wondering when the 22 caliber refiners were going to come up for air on this thread. It's time to tell it like it is. Not meaning to hurt any feelings. Not trying to take any credit away from all our 6PPC, 6BR or 30 shooters as you're all class gentlemen in pursuit of accuracy. Truth is in the putting. The .222 was developed in 1950 by one of Remington's most noted gunsmiths (Mike Walker). The cartrige either by design, by luck, or by both had the correct proportions to become "the most accurate cartridge". It was so accurate that we immediately attempted to out perform the round by creating sister cartridges (.222 rem mag, .221 fireball, .222 special, .223, 5.56, and the newest of the lot the .204 Ruger). Our pursuit of accuraccy took us away from the 22 caliber to the 24 caliber to try to find that diamond in the coal mine. I challenge all of you with this: Make your next bench rifle build around the Remington .222. Give it the same attention you would your 6PPC,6BR or 30. Pick your best barrel, stock, trigger, scope and smith. Build it around the Remington .222, find your load and you'll outshoot any of the current record breaking cartridges in both group shooting and aag [size=24pt]from 100 to 1000 yards.[/size] PS:the reason the 6PPC and the 30's are winning so many matches is thats what everybodys been using. If you want to outshhoot everyone at the range at every distance build a Remington .222. PS: Prepare yourself as you will draw a crowd wondering what the heck you're shooting. The oldest best kept secret is out.....
I'd say from 0-1000 yards there wouldn't be a safe place for a varmint to hide, all other cartridges should be destroyed the triple deuce is all that is needed for ALL applications!!
Wayne.
Jeeesh Wayne....you could've at least put dancing hula girls in this post response.....LOL...Longfeather
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