45 caliber smokeless muzzleloader

[wedgy]

In Colorado,
Our primitive season or muzzle loader season- open sights, granulated black powder or substitute (no pellets or smokeless), open (exposed) ignition system, full caliber round balls or slugs (no sabots). It really is a primitive weapon season designed for 100 yard shooting…….. but it is during the rut.

These rifles like the one you built for Tom could be used during the other rifle seasons without issue.

My son hunts during a short range rifle season in ID, I wonder if this bad boy could be used for that hunt?
CW

Muzzleloader elk in Colorado has to be .50 caliber or larger because we all know those little .45's and .40's just can't possibly kill an elk.

 

[Ccrider]

I was told the ML had to be pre 1887 style to be legal for "some felons" to own

First, I advise not to get convicted of a felony, that way you want have this problem.

Anyone convicted would be stupid to rely on hearsay and internet opinions to answer this question for them.

 

[msalm]

Groups and signatures, or that never happened.

Whatever. You obviously don’t know anything about these rifles.

 

[natdscott]

Whatever.

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Hey man. This probably isn't the forum to go around quoting 1/2 Minute front stuffers at 1/4 mile unless it's a thing.

1) We wanna see it, because that shit is cool and a bunch of us have had and built them before also.

2) If it does NOT exist, then we're gonna probably be interested in the statement as well.

 

[msalm]

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Hey man. This probably isn't the forum to go around quoting 1/2 Minute front stuffers at 1/4 mile unless it's a thing.

1) We wanna see it, because that shit is cool and a bunch of us have had and built them before also.

2) If it does NOT exist, then we're gonna probably be interested in the statement as well.

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This and other pics were posted by others…looks like I’m not the only one with that kind of results. I’ve done over a dozen and they all seem to shoot 1/2 MOA…at this point I expect it.

 

[natdscott]

Kentucky Challenge Groups All Shoots | Hank's Message Board

I have compiled all of the tightest groups shot at each distance of every Kentucky Challenge to date. I will add to this list as time goes on. Fall Kentucky Challenge #1 August 15-17 2014

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This and other pics were posted by others…looks like I’m not the only one with that kind of results. I’ve done over a dozen and they all seem to shoot 1/2 MOA…at this point I expect it.

Thank you!

 

[Adam in WI]

You fellas shooting plane Jane plastic sabots out of these things, or is it some space age ceramic asbestos?

 

[hogpatrol]

You fellas shooting plane Jane plastic sabots out of these things, or is it some space age ceramic asbestos?

SIzed land riders, no sabots. There are a couple other manufacturers of these but the Pittmans seem to be the most used.

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[spaniel]

I was big into smokeless muzzleloading for awhile but have been out of it for years. What is the priming situation with this? That was always the weak point of these designs. Are vent liners still a thing?

 

[Adam in WI]

SIzed land riders, no sabots. There are a couple other manufacturers of these but the Pittmans seem to be the most used.

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www.pittmanbullets.com

So do they use conventional rifling? If the bullet is riding the lands, what provides the gas seal?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Ignition is inline, but they use a module which makes priming easier and faster. Copper jacketed bullets are sized to fit the lands and they slug up under pressure.

 

[buckeye68]

Groups and signatures, or that never happened.

Here you go…. do you need signatures or do I need to post the certificate?

 

[WSnyder]

So do they use conventional rifling? If the bullet is riding the lands, what provides the gas seal?

Yes, conventional rifling. Bullets come slightly oversized and you size them in an inline sizing die to fit your bore. They will obturate under pressure to fill the lands. You try to not use a wad but sometimes you get better results when you use one.

40cal 300gn Arrowhead XLD shown.

 

[Adam in WI]

That's pretty insane to think they can be that accurate when they're relying on pressure deformation to seal the bullet to the bore.

 

[WSnyder]

That's pretty insane to think they can be that accurate when they're relying on pressure deformation to seal the bullet to the bore.

Think about the bullet alignment of the bore rider ML setup over stuffing a traditional rifle bullet into a smooth cylinder then smashing it into a tapered cone then swaging it down into the lands and grooves. The bore rider is sitting there perfectly aligned in the bore just waiting for a little thump in the butt to shove it down the bore.

BTW you can get that 300gn flying 3100+ fps with a fist full of powder

 

[Adam in WI]

Just dump six seconds worth of 4198 from yer powder horn? Lol

 

[nwmnbowhunter]

First time shooting my arrowhead today.

First smokeless mz.

Really fun!!

 

[msalm]

While that bore rider is awesome, my personal hunting muzzy is a custom barreled 50 caliber using a duplex smokeless load of AA 5744 as the priming charge with H322 as the main charge. I find it more convenient and I still get 25-2600 fps with a crushrib sabot and 250gr Hornady Monoflex. It’s not quite as accurate but has killed every deer out to just over 300 yards..10-15 at this point I imagine. I’d say that one is a solid 1-1 1/2 MOA rifle although i basically just sighted it in and hunted it.

 

[WSnyder]

First time shooting my arrowhead today.

First smokeless mz.

Really fun!!

45cal?

 

[msalm]

Just dump six seconds worth of 4198 from yer powder horn? Lol

In 45 cal, charges of 4198 is high 60’s to very low 70 gr from the feedback I’ve gotten.