"0" Group at 1000 yards

[quest450]

And, the suggestion was to use the e target only to count the shots.

let me repeat myself....."that's a lot of money to just count shots, what's next" ??

 

[Mulligan]

Robotics… lol
For Christ sakes ‘ just watch the bank, count the shots and scorers give the benefit of doubt to the shooter.

Jim
Most ranges do not have pits. Those that have live pits, have that option, others do not.
CW

 

[ebb]

I was in on a conversation at the Fire dept, an older Marine retired was telling everyone that in a pistol match he had an excellent group going. The shooter next him was someone he could not stand and his sergeant had been jacking him up about winning. So his last shot was in the shooter next doors target. He screwed over the jerk next to him and got the sarge off his back, and was the hero of the day.

 

[True Grit]

E targets are the future of the sport. Young people like using and playing on their phones and tablets. Need to figure out how to get the PRS crowd to participate in long range shooting.

 

[dellet]

George Patton, of all people, took his loss somewhat graciously in the 1912 Olympic Pentathlon shooting segment. Only four identified holes in a five shot target. Historians generally agree it cost him a medal.

This is not a new controversy

 

[clowdis]

When we built our 1,000 yd range it would have cost us in the neighborhood of $200,000 to build pits, pit wall, buy target carriers etc. We bought 8 shotmarkers for $7,000. Of course we still had to build target frames using 1 X 2 aluminum tubing. But going to Shotmarkers were by far the least expensive solution to pits. I know y'all are talking about mostly benchrest shooting in this thread but we have sling as well as F-class and across the course matches. I guess my point is, a few Shotmarkers aren't that expensive. A lot of shooters have their own.

 

[quest450]

Fclass shooters can hang a 10" gong at 1K and ejaculate hitting it

 

[Mulligan]

I can see where that might be a problem. Ok what’s your solution then ?

Like I said in post #29

Moving backers or e-targets to count shots for those ranges that don’t have pits.
Heck, maybe even cameras would work? Just something to give the dude in the score shack a fighting chance to see what really happened.
CW

 

[True Grit]

Fclass shooters can hang a 10" gong at 1K and ejaculate hitting it

In all honesty from my observations a lot of the bench rest shooters couldn't get up off the ground without help if they shot a F-class match.

 

[ebb]

^^^^^ Even back when I was younger, my neck was so messed up I could never bend it enough to see through the scope for more than a minute or two. Spotting scopes have that angled eye piece, I was hoping someone would come out with a rifle scope with that same eye piece so I could shoot prone. For a long time I was so upset I couldn't shoot I would not call it F class, I called it F Troop and asked how that could let Sargent Agarn outshoot them.

 

[Bill Score]

I know a couple guys who quit when their record-setting targets were DQed. When I score, shooter always gets the benefit of the doubt. This is a gentlemanly sport. There’s no massive prize pot or money on the line beyond the entry fees, and arguably even if there was - this is a game we’re playing together and we should act with honesty and integrity and accept that others are doing the same.

A gentlemanly sport indeed sir!

 

[quest450]

In all honesty from my observations a lot of the bench rest shooters couldn't get up off the ground without help if they shot a F-class match.

no kidding, I am definitely one of them

 

[Dave Way]

E targets are the future of the sport. Young people like using and playing on their phones and tablets. Need to figure out how to get the PRS crowd to participate in long range shooting.

Sorry but this is where I wish there was a dislike button.

I’m afraid young people need instant gratification these days. E targets give you that, they don’t however give the accuracy and reliability to measure five shots to the thousandth of an inch.

Just call me Shotmarker Dave.

 

[jelenko]

measure five shots to the thousandth of an inch

Right. My understanding is e targets are not ready for benchrest.
They are pretty good for F Class, prone with a sling and 'cross the course'.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Just for everyone’s info.
A lot of Short Range Clubs that used to shoot Group Matches now shoot Varmint for Score, UBR, and HBR exclusively because of the constant hassle with the moving backer system.

 

[jackieschmidt]

E targets are the future of the sport. Young people like using and playing on their phones and tablets. Need to figure out how to get the PRS crowd to participate in long range shooting.

Getting ready for our NBRSA Sscore Nationals, I shot this 100 yard 5 shot group with my 30BR.
Do E Targets have the resolution to accurately record and measure this.

I wish we had an electronic shot counting system for Short Range that cost about $250 per frame on a 20 Bench Range. I personally buy them for Tomball and we could shoot Short Range Registered Group Matches again.

 

[ogre1911]

Getting ready for our NBRSA Sscore Nationals, I shot this 100 yard 5 shot group with my 30BR.
Do E Targets have the resolution to accurately record and measure this.

I wish we had an electronic shot counting system for Short Range that cost about $250 per frame on a 20 Bench Range. I personally buy them for Tomball and we could shoot Short Range Registered Group Matches again.

I'm shooting 600 yds early tomorrow morning on my shot marker. I'll go load 5 more to shoot at 100 and see if I can get you a screen shot of it. Never tried it at 100 so it'll be interesting.

 

[Mulligan]

Getting ready for our NBRSA Sscore Nationals, I shot this 100 yard 5 shot group with my 30BR.
Do E Targets have the resolution to accurately record and measure this.

I wish we had an electronic shot counting system for Short Range that cost about $250 per frame on a 20 Bench Range. I personally buy them for Tomball and we could shoot Short Range Registered Group Matches again.

Jackie,
Get with Adam at shotmarker
I think each “system” could cover a 4 target frame if you’re just counting shots.
CW

 

[Schippergreg]

I wonder if having 2 to 3 inches between target and backer would be enough to determine the number of shots fired ?

No. If 2 bullets go through the same hole at 100yds, 3 more inches wouldn’t matter.

 

[newbieshooter]

I wish we had an electronic shot counting system for Short Range that cost about $250 per frame on a 20 Bench Range. I personally buy them for Tomball and we could shoot Short Range Registered Group Matches again.

this was tried for 1 year in the SW region. When it came up again after a trial period - the BOD discontinued the use of electronic/acoustical backer for verifying record shots on targets.
https://www.nbrsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/2024.Final_.BOD_.minutes.pdf (page 11/12).

Post in thread 'Sac Valley April 2023 Match Results'

Apr 3, 2023

Thanks to Match Director Dan Lutke for all his work doing the stuff I won't deal with, also my right hand man (no longer my protégé "grasshopper", you keep kicking my ass!) Steve Epstien,
Michael Taner, and new shooter Craig Addely for all their help making this match a success.
Steve and Michael helped me with the frame setup on Friday, and Craig stuck around after the match on Saturday to help us move the frames to 200.
It may not sound like a lot but with a few people pitching in it makes it a lot easier on the rest of us!

This was our first NBRSA registered match using our...

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Post in thread 'E targets in longrange benchrest'

Jan 16, 2024

This conversation has got me to thinking about a use for E Targets in 100/200/300 yard Benchrest.
To take the place of a mechanical moving backer system.

One reason many Clubs have abandoned Short Range Group in favor of Varmint for Score is the hassle of maintaining and setting up a moving backer system.

Could a single E Target sensor mounted atop each frame to be used to verify shot count?
Of course, if you had a 20 bench range, that would mean 20 individuals shot markers. The cost might be prohibitive.

I know very little about E Targets, so ………

Jackie,
We (Sloughhouse...

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Not to say it couldn't be tried again...