I ran across an article on the Creedmoor clan. It detailed each round. The thing that KO'd everything else was barrel life. They say it's 800-1100 rounds for the .22 Creedmoor! From what I understand, that many rounds might be fired on one successful PD hunt. So besides all the other costs of the trip and ammo/reloading add the not inconsequential cost of a new barrel! 800 rounds!!! SMH
Barrel life 800-1100 rounds!
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AckleymanII
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Yep, I shot out a Shilen 22/250 in two days on a virgin p. dog town, 1989. I figured that I had 1000 rounds on that particular barrel, IMR 4064.
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Gary in MD
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Yea, when I buy a pick up truck with a big V8, I’m really buying it for the fuel mileage…
If you can afford to shoot a high performance round like 22 CM on a prairie dog shoot, you can afford new barrels.
More guns less powder, swap out every 15 rounds. 204, 20 vartarg, 223AI 11 trips 75 percent hits 1000's of dogs
Liven The Dream
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Two rifles and Ammo for the Trip to South Dakota years back. .233 for the the up close shooting.
22-250 or 2 20 Swift for long ones out. In those days 22-250 Barrel ever other year .
Things cheaper back in those days.
The cost of Big Boy's Toy's.
22-250 or 2 20 Swift for long ones out. In those days 22-250 Barrel ever other year .
Things cheaper back in those days.
The cost of Big Boy's Toy's.
STS
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I'm not computer savy enough to be able to provide a hot link to the thread, but if you will search "The Barrel Burner," you will find some accurate information, and several borescope images. It was posted in 12/24. I went to trouble of doing that post to dispel the myths about the 22 CM eating barrels like popcorn. Since then those barrels have progressed and I will share the final numbers if anyone has any interest.
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OMW57
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Another vote for more rifles for PD's!
last years trip, I took a Remington vlss thumbhole in 204, a savage predator hunter max 1 in 22-250, & ol reliable, Cooper montana varminter in 6BR, only barrel that needs replacing is the 204, I abused the heck out of it only because I knew it was about done anyway, BUT, man was it FUN!!!
last years trip, I took a Remington vlss thumbhole in 204, a savage predator hunter max 1 in 22-250, & ol reliable, Cooper montana varminter in 6BR, only barrel that needs replacing is the 204, I abused the heck out of it only because I knew it was about done anyway, BUT, man was it FUN!!!
I guess if a guy did a little load development and then spent the rest of his time shooting 950 coyotes, he would have it for a while.
Clancy
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Not really, he’s gonna spend a lot of time adjusting his seating depth too.
That’s how I ended up a 6BR guy
L.Sherm
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Alot of you guys that don't live in P.D or sage rat country don't shoot near as much as some that do so theres a big difference, I take 3 min to 5 rifles if I spend a whole day in a rat patch.
I remember when I owned a 17hmr I shot 1500 rounds in 1.5 days then said piss on that sold it and bought another 527 hornet bolt face and built another 17 badger. Hmr ammo was 8.00 a 50 then 240.00 in 1.5 days about 20 years ago. Figure that out in today's prices, 450.00- 500.00 I'm guessing.
I remember when I owned a 17hmr I shot 1500 rounds in 1.5 days then said piss on that sold it and bought another 527 hornet bolt face and built another 17 badger. Hmr ammo was 8.00 a 50 then 240.00 in 1.5 days about 20 years ago. Figure that out in today's prices, 450.00- 500.00 I'm guessing.
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AckleymanII
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The heat index of the powders used is critical for helping barrel life on a high volume shooting.
AA2700 is one of the coolest burning powders on the Heat Index Chart and has a burn rate close to 4350.
H335 trippled my barrel life in the 6 BR vs H322 on p. dog towns, multiple barrels proved this. Win 748 extended the barrel life in the 223's over H322 shooting 50/55g bullets. AA1630 extended the barrel life in the small cases, 17 AH and 221 Fireball.
The 6 BR is simply amazing in the barrel life with H335 with Rem 7 1/2 primers, 5000 rounds minimum if you start with a zero freebore reamer. I am shooting 55-68g bullets with the H335.
Us older guys had to learn years ago not to load top-end pressures with ball powders, just back off 1.0-1.5g for the heat, and all will be well.
I have not seen the Heat Index of Stabal Match and 6.5, and I bet the powder will be in the cooler end of the spectrum.
Years ago, it was common to shoot 600 rounds per day EACH on a slow day, and 1200 Rounds EACH on a good day on the P. dog towns. On the hay fields infested with ground squirrels, you could shoot all day and never move the truck.
We cooled our barrels by running water down the bore, followed by 4 dry patches, dry the chamber, and then back to shooting. Lots of BS out there saying this method will harm barrels, and we learned to shoot 30" unturned blanks so we could set the barrels back up to 4 times.
223 bolt guns cleaned every 300 rounds when using H335
" 125 rounds when using H322/AA2015
6 PPC cleaned every 300 rounds when using a fast lot of H335-2230S-60s@3550
6 BR cleaned every 300 rounds when using H335,55-68g
243 AI cleaned every 150 rounds when using AA2700 with 70s at 3850
We measured the muzzle dia with graduated reamer pilots on a grizzly rod, .0002 increments. The setback was determined at a point to where the bore diameter at the new throat was equal to the muzzle diameter. This method is extremely effective in achieving new barrel or close to new barrel accuracy. Few realize that the bore dia grows in width and length.
We learned that IMR 4064, IMR 4895, Varget, and N550 eats barrels like you are shooting battery acid, so much so, that the barrel could not be set back due to 9" of the barrel being severely worn.
AA2700 is one of the coolest burning powders on the Heat Index Chart and has a burn rate close to 4350.
H335 trippled my barrel life in the 6 BR vs H322 on p. dog towns, multiple barrels proved this. Win 748 extended the barrel life in the 223's over H322 shooting 50/55g bullets. AA1630 extended the barrel life in the small cases, 17 AH and 221 Fireball.
The 6 BR is simply amazing in the barrel life with H335 with Rem 7 1/2 primers, 5000 rounds minimum if you start with a zero freebore reamer. I am shooting 55-68g bullets with the H335.
Us older guys had to learn years ago not to load top-end pressures with ball powders, just back off 1.0-1.5g for the heat, and all will be well.
I have not seen the Heat Index of Stabal Match and 6.5, and I bet the powder will be in the cooler end of the spectrum.
Years ago, it was common to shoot 600 rounds per day EACH on a slow day, and 1200 Rounds EACH on a good day on the P. dog towns. On the hay fields infested with ground squirrels, you could shoot all day and never move the truck.
We cooled our barrels by running water down the bore, followed by 4 dry patches, dry the chamber, and then back to shooting. Lots of BS out there saying this method will harm barrels, and we learned to shoot 30" unturned blanks so we could set the barrels back up to 4 times.
223 bolt guns cleaned every 300 rounds when using H335
" 125 rounds when using H322/AA2015
6 PPC cleaned every 300 rounds when using a fast lot of H335-2230S-60s@3550
6 BR cleaned every 300 rounds when using H335,55-68g
243 AI cleaned every 150 rounds when using AA2700 with 70s at 3850
We measured the muzzle dia with graduated reamer pilots on a grizzly rod, .0002 increments. The setback was determined at a point to where the bore diameter at the new throat was equal to the muzzle diameter. This method is extremely effective in achieving new barrel or close to new barrel accuracy. Few realize that the bore dia grows in width and length.
We learned that IMR 4064, IMR 4895, Varget, and N550 eats barrels like you are shooting battery acid, so much so, that the barrel could not be set back due to 9" of the barrel being severely worn.
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Probably the parents have more money than sense.Solution: 224 Valkyrie.
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22 Creed is going ridiculously fast for such a lightweight bullet. 22 Creed is for rich kids with more money than sense.
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