Barrel life 800-1100 rounds!

[Aero]

I love barrel life threads!

 

[urbanrifleman]

Per Hodgdon aa2700 is definitely not 760, asked and answered. I pointed out some load data was exactly the same, they came back and reiterated their statement, not the same, slight differences. They wouldn't elaborate further. It came up due to some GRT workup that someone was doing and Hodgdon didn't want people assuming they were the same.

side note: aa2700 and 40gr bullet = 4500+fps in a Swift, fun times

Yah. Wellll... There is only one ball powder plant in the country.... Since the old aa2700 was Czech and the new powder is made in Florida. Same as Winchester and Alliant and Hogdon.

I'm pretty sure it's the same powder. Certainly close enough for government work.

 

[Leo_B]

I have no clue what a barrel costs but if it's $200 and 800 rounds barrel life that adds 25c to every round fired. YIKES! And a good barrel may cost more than that.

 

[Big_Daddy]

I love barrel life threads!

They are entertaining to say the least.

 

[jxb]

Yah. Wellll... There is only one ball powder plant in the country.... Since the old aa2700 was Czech and the new powder is made in Florida. Same as Winchester and Alliant and Hogdon.

I'm pretty sure it's the same powder. Certainly close enough for government work.

yeah we all said the same but I'm pretty sure Hodgdon knows the specs for their own powders regardless of who makes it for them.

 

[urbanrifleman]

yeah we all said the same but I'm pretty sure Hodgdon knows the specs for their own powders regardless of who makes it for them.

I agree with the spirit of what you said....

But for me, (and only me) do I think Hogdon would lie to get people to buy more powder? Yes.

That's just me.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I price my barrels so it's like Doritos.

Shoot all you like, I'll make more.

 

[AckleymanII]

Urbans 12 twist, 6 XC with .050 freebore would be an incredibly efficient case on coyotes, Chucks, and P. dogs with 70s doing 3740 out of my 24" barrel shooting in the low 2's. 55s are doing 4100. For guys using thermal at night, this flat shooting trajectory, combined with the very hard-hitting 6mm bullet, trumps a lot of other options. Most coyote hunting is 400 and under.

 

[Tommie]

I agree with the spirit of what you said....

But for me, (and only me) do I think Hogdon would lie to get people to buy more powder? Yes.

That's just me.

Yeah agreed. I have a dangerous 8# jug of A2520. I contacted Hodgdon and they tried to blame the issue on me. Hope their lawyers are primed for action cuz someone may eventually be hurt.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Urbans 12 twist, 6 XC with .050 freebore would be an incredibly efficient case on coyotes, Chucks, and P. dogs with 70s doing 3740 out of my 24" barrel shooting in the low 2's. 55s are doing 4100. For guys using thermal at night, this flat shooting trajectory, combined with the very hard-hitting 6mm bullet, trumps a lot of other options. Most coyote hunting is 400 and under.

The hot ticket that's flying out of my shop is the 6br 30 fb 12 twist shooting 70 tnts and vmaxs.

 

[jds holler]

Worried about barrel life -- might as well go back to the days when we all pretty much shot 222's. Nobody talked much about barrel life, unless they were a competitive bench-rester, and the rest of us had no clue how many rounds had gone down the tube. But it was likely 5 or 10 THOUSAND!! We knew the old girl didn't shoot like it used to, but it was still busting squirrels at 2 or 3 hundred yards. jd

 

[jxb]

I agree with the spirit of what you said....

But for me, (and only me) do I think Hogdon would lie to get people to buy more powder? Yes.

That's just me.

Yeah well there's that too. 2700 was far less costly and available, that's the reason I tried it.

It's been a while but if I recall correctly they said something about grains/speed are not the only factors, environmental factors are part of the equation. I guess the only way to know is to load up both powders same load where they match in the manual and shoot them same gun same day round robin to see how they differ on paper. Presumably that difference would mostly be environmental conditions and how each powder reacts to those conditions.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Worried about barrel life -- might as well go back to the days when we all pretty much shot 222's. Nobody talked much about barrel life, unless they were a competitive bench-rester, and the rest of us had no clue how many rounds had gone down the tube. But it was likely 5 or 10 THOUSAND!! We knew the old girl didn't shoot like it used to, but it was still busting squirrels at 2 or 3 hundred yards. jd

I have to agree. It's like.

"I saw this YouTube video and so and so said his BLAH BLAH was shot out after 800 rounds."

Barrel life threads start appearing all over the Internet...

 

[urbanrifleman]

Yeah well there's that too. 2700 was far less costly and available, that's the reason I tried it.

It's been a while but if I recall correctly they said something about grains/speed are not the only factors, environmental factors are part of the equation. I guess the only way to know is to load up both powders same load where they match in the manual and shoot them same gun same day round robin to see how they differ on paper. Presumably that difference would mostly be environmental conditions and how each powder reacts to those conditions.

Or the sticker on the jug.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

If I ever go I think I’ll take a trapdoor 45/70 then I won’t be worried about barrel life Or picking up rats I hit

 

[GetReal]

I was able to throw 800 rocks before my thrower was wore out.

( The rock's varied from 22 to 75 caliber)

 

[C.E.Smith043]

I ran across an article on the Creedmoor clan. It detailed each round. The thing that KO'd everything else was barrel life. They say it's 800-1100 rounds for the .22 Creedmoor! From what I understand, that many rounds might be fired on one successful PD hunt. So besides all the other costs of the trip and ammo/reloading add the not inconsequential cost of a new barrel! 800 rounds!!! SMH

No way!!! The creedmoor is so good you can kill 3-6 prairie dogs in one shot, so it will last way more pd trips than just 1.

And besides, first round hits with the creedmoor are in the 99.9 - 100% area, all the way out to 1200 yards.. ALL DAY LONG

 

[Gary in MD]

Yah. Wellll... There is only one ball powder plant in the country.... Since the old aa2700 was Czech and the new powder is made in Florida. Same as Winchester and Alliant and Hogdon.

I'm pretty sure it's the same powder. Certainly close enough for government work.

H414 was also supposedly the same as ww760. They claim that’s why they discontinued the H414

 

[Rick in Oregon]

I'm still chuckling at all this talk about barrel life.
My 20VT just passed the 5k round count from the rat patch last season and is still shooting in the .2" range, which is well into "minute of rat".

It's all about the right tool for the job. Unless one is either wealthy or just don't give a hoot, leave that 22-250 at home if you intend to blast away at pd's or squirrels all weekend and have a "new barrel fund" at home.

During a rat shoot some years ago here, friend Steve Hanson, the author of A Varmint Hunter's Odyssey brought a fellow along who had a beautiful full custom 22-250 and proceeded blasting away at the sage rats with wanton abandon. By mid-morning of the 2nd day, he couldn't hit chit, and a peek down the barrel revealed what could be described as the inside of a sewer pipe, devoid of rifling in the first 12" inches.

 

[L.Sherm]

In a bolt gun?


Only Jerry Miculek is fast enough to burn out a bolt gun in 1000 rounds. rofl

Guarantee you will in a 22-250 in a heavy rat or P.D patch look at post #2.
Some of you obviously have never shot 800- 1000 round days